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  •  When I speak of anarchy I mean no government. (1+ / 0-)
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    Of course it wouldn't stay that way for long...soon you'd have thousands of mini-governments -- that is, a gang in every neighborhood in the country.

    I'm less interested in which group uses which term for what and more interested in understanding the underlying realities.   If you start with just the abstractions and there's no generally agreed-upon rational definition then you're left with a reality that has no name.

    In other words we need to be clear on what we're talking about before we get into a discussion.  Most times it's obvious; in politics -- not so obvious.

    Never fall in love with your plan.

    by dov12348 on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 11:11:29 AM PDT

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    •  Think Gangs of New York (2+ / 0-)
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      Of course, it's true that many in Europe adopt the "anarchist" label as a badge of pride, and it has little to do with the common meaning of anarchy.

      •  Yeah, "government" can be nebulous term, heh (0+ / 0-)

        If it's imposed, by something that is to the exterior of the society as a whole, then it is a "governor", a brake on the popular democratic will, whether intended (or purported) to be "in the public interest",  or more candidly for the purpose of suppression, in the interests of elites.

        Usually such perspectives are characterized by an abiding contempt for the masses, assuming people are just born damned (fundamentalist Calvinist "Christianity", an underlying historical, theoretical basis of capitalism, actually), or more generally, that "teh People" are just "naturally" too stupid or brainwashed, too venal or degenerate, too impulsive, or whatever, to be trusted with self-governance.

        I might have been somewhat less confident about the degree of evolution of human society, even 30 years ago (let alone in 1917, 1947, or even 1956) and more inclined to see a possible need for an elite vanguard, heh.

        Back in the day, virtually nobody in Russia, China, or Cuba knew how to read or write, were indeed steeped in centuries of feudal, church, and more recent capitalist perspectives, and it took a year or more for information to get from one side of their nation to the other, due to poor communications technology, and general lack of infrastructure and education.

        Similar, if not quite as severe, conditions were also pretty prevalent in the US, more or less, since the founding, and even up until more recent times.

        But the 60's and 70's changed our society, and reactionary right wing conservative fundamentalist perspectives are clearly no longer "politically correct" in the US, as Faux "News" et al constantly rant and rave, whine, mewl and puke over, ad nauseum, lol.

        I am heartened and much more optimistic now, about more recent developments in public opinion in the US, including the election of Obama, such that I am, more than ever, convinced that we are now "ready" to be grown up, and to "rule" ourselves, democratically.

        That would be a whole different kind of "government", and would be considered "oppressive" only by anti-democratic, anti-social psychopaths, idiotic fools, and traitors.

        Oh well...

        All Power to the People!

        "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

        by Radical def on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 11:47:59 AM PDT

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