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  •  You betcha, Hawkjt (0+ / 0-)

    unwinding all that in less than 18 months is going to be very difficult

    And it's going to be even more difficult since the promised redeployment of 1 to 2 combat brigades per month from Iraq has yet to begin, as the fifth month of the new administration rolls on.

    Oh yeah, let's not forget the Iraqi elections this fall that are often cited as the reason that troops can't be withdrawn in any numbers yet? They've been postponed--again--to January 30, 2010 this time.

    It's pretty simple: withdrawal won't happen until it is begun. And as long as folks keep offering excuses for delaying withdrawal and as long as Congress keeps voting hundreds of billions to keep the occupation going, you will be writing exactly the same comment six months from now..

    •  They are beginning (1+ / 0-)
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      the process as we speak with the combat troops coming out of the cities by the end of June for the most part. I have to think that the bases in the cities being wrapped up and turned over to the Iraqis is a step toward the full dismantling of our infrastructure in Iraq.

      Is the President listening to Petraeus and Odierno on the micro-managing of this process? I presume he is...but do you think that the President flat out is lying to the Muslim world yesterday and the American people and the Iraq govt. by planning to go away from the public withdrawal schedule? Why would he do that?

      •  Look, the June 30th deadline is being met (0+ / 0-)

        by a variety of contrivances--the most notorious being the redrawing of the Baghdad city map (or the claim that it's being redrawn) to put Forward Operating Base Falcon and its 3000 troops outside of the city limits. And of course all Marines stationed at the US embassy, the largest embassy anywhere in the world, will remain there.

        There has been no mo ve toward formal withdrawal from urban areas of the "security contractor" forces numbering 130,000, much of it paid for with U.S. taxpayer dollars and working under the joint Iraqi-US (read:US) command.

    •  No. It's not simple. (0+ / 0-)

      It's complicated, complex and dangerous.  What Bush got us into, Obama is charged with getting us out of.  I trust he's working on it.

      "Not the truth in whose possession any man is, or thinks he is, but the honest effort he has made to find out the truth, is what consitutes the worth of man."

      by Lying eyes on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:17:15 AM PDT

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      •  You trust. I don't. (1+ / 0-)
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        Hound Dog

        It's not that I think Obama has been lying all along. I think that the complicated, complex and dangerous situation you cite is made much moreso by pressures from the sections of the military, nervous puppets in Iraq, war contractors, oil companies, politicians afraid of blame for "losing" Iraq, global power advocates and others who have an ax to grind and are in a position to be heard.

        With the near collapse of the anti-war movement during the Obama campaign and in its aftermath, who is there to bring countervailing pressures to bear? As the slogan of the Iraq Moratorium goes:

        It's got to stop! We've got to stop it!

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