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  •  In my update, it looks (2+ / 0-)
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    like recruitment may be the final concern of active military leaders.

    So, how does that change?

    We need to get back to bedrock American values like torture and secession. - Josh Marshall

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 07:15:48 AM PDT

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    •  Potential recruits may help now (3+ / 0-)
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      whereas, this obviously didn't help in the recent past. That's because overall, we've grown more accepting of gays as regular Americans overall.

      The political climate regarding gays has changed, so attitudes are changing.

      Actually, I don't think Iowa is the watershed moment for conservative America--for America, perhaps, but conservative America, er, doubtful. My mom's an Iowan. A lot of old German/Scandinavian and Scottish blood in those parts. Beneath the surface, Iowans don't see themselves as conservatives. They see themselves as pragmatic and level-headed. They see themselves as the kind of people who'd respect their neighbor, real "live and let live" folks. They're also people who put their families first, and are sensible enough to know when one of their family happens to be gay (god knows, one of my Iowan cousins is intersexed, and everybody knows it, even if no one talks about it).

      I think a few things contributed to Iowa, and in a odd, backhanded way, Prop 8 helped. It made people think about this issue. there there were all the stories of needed military personnel being kicked up for being gay. And knowing Iowans as I do, probably Cheney's conflicting stance of gay marriage while having an openly gay daughter probably rubbed them the wrong way. It's clear that recent national events regarding gay rights have made Iowans recognize that denying gays these rights is not in keeping with their own, Old World values.

      The problem is, I doubt this is having the same effect in other red parts of the country, especially where religious ideology trumps these kinds of values Iowans still stick by.  

      -8.50, -7.64 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was within me an invincible summer." - Camus

      by croyal on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 07:40:36 AM PDT

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    •  the poll is not based on a random sampling pool (1+ / 0-)
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      The poll from the Military Times is not a random sampling of military folks - as the Palm Center notes here - but based "on the self-selected pool of readers of that publication who tend to be older and more conservative than the military population at-large, a fact which skews the results against gay service."

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