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  •  So what? (5+ / 0-)

    Some of these shitheads are "Americans" (or so they claim).  

    The dismissal of this video because the fools are drunk strikes me as strange.  Drunk people don't just make shit up.  They say what they really feel more readily. This level of America-hating by people who ought to be damn grateful the US exists deserves to be widely aired.  It reminds people that the AIPAC line -- what's good for Israel is good for the US -- is bullshit.

    If they don't like us, why do we support them?

    •  But who is "they"? (5+ / 0-)

      You're on a pretty slippery slope when you start talking about "they" and "them".

      I can't accept that a majority of Israelis would concur with these ideas. This video is being promoted to imply that they do.

      Tinfoil! ...it's the new black!

      by mosesfreeman on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 02:59:58 PM PDT

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    •  Drunk people don't just make shit up. (5+ / 0-)

      They say what they really feel more readily.

      That's what Max Blumenthal says. Here's his quote which I think is pretty good:

      "No amount of alcohol could make me express opinions that were not authentically mine," he says. "If anything, alcohol is a crude form of truth serum that lubricates the release of closely held opinions and encourages confessional talk."

      http://www.haaretz.com/...

      If it takes 183 times to make it work, the ticking time bomb will already have exploded by then.

      by William Domingo on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:11:12 PM PDT

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    •  Oh wow, like there aren't plenty of Israel haters (2+ / 0-)
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      BFSkinner, thebluecrayon

      in the US?  Of course there is going to be an undercurrent of resentment in Israel as a response to that.  Your mistake is mixing the statements of random drunken idiots with foreign policy.

      What people feel and the relationship between governments are vary different things.

      "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

      by Futuristic Dreamer on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 05:00:39 PM PDT

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      •  bull (1+ / 0-)
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        hurburble

        Where did I say a damn thing about "foreign policy."

        Change the subject much?

        •  "Why do we support them" is talking about foreign (1+ / 0-)
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          policy.  Or is that supposed to mean something else?

          "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

          by Futuristic Dreamer on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 06:53:56 PM PDT

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          •  I get it now (1+ / 0-)
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            Funny how some folks want to minimize this video at any cost.

            It's evidence of a widespread anti-Obama and anti-Democratic viewpoint held by right wing Zionists in Israel and the US.

            My ancestors died at Auschwitz.  Don't lecture me on the subject.  If you are defending these punks and their opinions because they're not "representative," that's fine.  But the fact is they are representative of a widespread view among some Israelis and American Jews.  They're attacking our president and calling him racist names as if their country -- Israel -- could even exist without American support.  So I suggest they oppose further American support if they hate America so much.  That simple.

            You draw the foreign policy implications all you want.  Many of us have been opposing American military aid to Israel for a very long time, and I continue to do so.

            •  The fact that the right wing hates Obama, (1+ / 0-)
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              Democrats, and the left isn't news.  The fact that the Israeli right doesn't have much love lost for the American left isn't news either. I fail to see what the big deal is here, besides drunken assholes.

              Oppose military aid to Israel all you want, but using this video to do it doesn't help your case.

              "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

              by Futuristic Dreamer on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 07:23:46 AM PDT

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