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    because anyone who HRed this should have HRed melvynny's original comment. If it's OK to complain about too many Catholics, then it's OK to complain about too many Jews. If the second is unacceptable so is the first.

    "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" - John Adams

    by esquimaux on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 09:26:28 AM PDT

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    •  not quite (4+ / 0-)

      "Catholic" is strictly a religious designation.  It implies a set of beliefs.  "Jew" can be a religious or ethnic/cultural designation.  For instance, I believe that Ruth Bader-Ginsburg is not particularly religious, but she is still "Jewish" and on the SC.

      So when one laments that there are too many Catholics on the courts, she could just be opposed to so many people of the same religious/ideological bent.  But if one laments that there are too many Jews, that is possibly ethnic prejudice that has nothing to do with religious philosophy.

      All this wasted time learning and acquiring skills... And all along I should have just squinted to see Russia

      by fizziks on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 09:45:13 AM PDT

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      •  What you say is true, but if people are ... (9+ / 0-)

        ...going to make the argument about "too many Catholics," they should give the full explanation as you have done. Otherwise it's hard to know whether they're engaging in bigotry or common sense.

        "Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?" - Michael Corleone

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:04:45 AM PDT

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        The Catholic Church has been institutionally involved in anti-choice activities (although individual Catholics are by no means lock-step followers).  Among Jewish institutions, there is diversity of opinion - while most secular Jews are pro-choice (but there is also Nat Hentoff) the ultra-Orthodox tend to be anti-choice.  Thus, Mikeinri's comment about the number of Jews on the Court was a non-sequitur, suggestive of anti-semitism.

      •  How is that distinction.... (5+ / 0-)

        ...relevant, unless one is arguing that religious bigotry is more acceptable than racial bigotry?

        Religious bent is not equivalent to "ideological bent," either.  

        It really seems no more or less offensive.  

        What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.

        by Alec82 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:26:27 AM PDT

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        •  The difference is this (2+ / 0-)
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          If I complain that there are too many Catholics on the court, I may mean that the Catholic religion implies a set of beliefs on vital social issues (by its own admission).

          If I complain that there are too many Puerto Ricans on the court, then I am biased against an ethnicity.

          Complaining about too many Jews is more like the later.

          All this wasted time learning and acquiring skills... And all along I should have just squinted to see Russia

          by fizziks on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 12:55:40 PM PDT

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          •  Or you could mean... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...that the composition of the court should reflect the nation's demographics.  I mean, I think the number of Caucasians on the court (and in the judiciary) is disproportionate; similarly, I don't think there are nearly as many openly gay judges as there are, say, attorneys.  Or you may not even be implying that shouldn't be the case, just noting that other demographics are overrepresented or underrepresented.  

            By complaining that there are too many Catholics on the Court because the "religion implies a set of beliefs on vital social issues," you're implying Catholics are suspect as Catholics because of their religious beliefs, or that there's a risk that they will decide cases on that basis. That seems no different to me than claiming a judge is likely to be biased on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual orientation.  

            What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.

            by Alec82 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 01:03:32 PM PDT

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            •  I think that judges should be appointed (2+ / 0-)
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              and not subject to public election.  And I also think that diversity of race, creed and sexual orientation should be encouraged.  But, we have to have, above all, good judges.  I would rather have an old white man, whose a good judge, than a gay woman whose not a good judge.

              Diversity should be taken into consideration (as Obama did) but that nominee needs to be good (as Sotomayor is).

              It's a tough line to walk, but balance between diversity and competence needs to be preserved.

              "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

              by La Gitane on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 04:11:12 PM PDT

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      •  How do you know that (4+ / 0-)
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        the 5 Catholic justices are "particularly religious?"

        The explanation doesn't cut it.

        •  Some of them say they are (2+ / 0-)
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          Scalia is too religiously conservative for the Pope, and he doesn't hide that fact.  Clarence Thomas wears his religion on his sleeve.  The others, I don't really know.

          All this wasted time learning and acquiring skills... And all along I should have just squinted to see Russia

          by fizziks on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 12:58:17 PM PDT

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    •  This poster has a history. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    •  Spend a few seconds and check its history.... (3+ / 0-)
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      it should be HR'd on sight.  You might want to consider removing your uprate.

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