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  •  You're way out of line. (8+ / 0-)

    Either you didn't read my comment, or you read it and chose to ignore that it's fact-based.  Either way, your resorting to the "blind-eyed apologist" comment just shows that your eyes and mind are both closed to the truth.

    Question for you:  there were 12 service members involved in the case before it got to the Supreme Court, and their case was backed by SLDN.  Why, then, did the other 11 service members and their legal representation drop out before getting to the Supreme Court?  Are they flip-floppers?  Or did they just come to the same conclusion that the Obama's Justice Department came to:  that the case in and of itself wasn't strong enough, and that it could potentially do more harm than good?

    •  Read the title of Time magazine article (1+ / 0-)
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      given in the diary above

      ...Time Magazine's Mark Thompson and the title of his article--"Dismay Over Obama's Turnabout on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' "-

      Emphasis added.

      Thompson uses the term "turnabout" which means the same as "flip-flop".  Sorry, we disagree but you are also ignoring Obama's history of flip-flops which are documented in the diary indicated in Update #1 and of course, in many other places like David Sirota's article.  

      Sorry too that I disagree with your last paragraph.  Please tell Mr. Pietrangelo, who served his country in Iraq unlike Obama, that his case is not worthwhile and that he should wait.  What were his words again:

      "He's a coward, a bigot and a pathological liar," Pietrangelo said in an interview with TIME shortly after the high court declined to hear his appeal. "This is a guy who spent more time picking out his dog, Bo, and playing with him on the White House lawn than he has working for equality for gay people," he added. "If there were millions of black people as second class citizens, or millions of Jews, or Irish, he would have acted immediately" upon taking office to begin working to lift "don't ask, don't tell."

      "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

      by fflambeau on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 04:49:16 AM PDT

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      •  We agree then (1+ / 0-)
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        that we disagree.  And sorry, I just can't put all that much stock in a piece in Time Magazine, which after all, named Ronald Reagan the Person of the Year in 1980, and 1983.  And George H.W. Bush in 1990.  And Newt Gingrich in 1993.  And George W. Bush in 2000, Rudy Guiliani in 2001, and GWB AGAIN in 2004. Time Magazine wants to sell magazines.  I'm capable of my own critical thinking regardless of what editorial position they take on any given subject.

        As for Mr. Pietrangelo, it's unfortunate that he has to wait, but we're in a better position to create the necessary change now that at any time since DADT went into effect.  As for who has the better understanding of all of the intricacies needed to get it done, I'll put my money on Mr. Obama vs. Mr. Pietrangelo, sorry.  And I'll continue to support the work of SLDN, as I have since its inception.


        •  CDH in Brooklyn (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks for being patient and polite.  Yes we have our differences but you have handled them admirably.

          Please take a look at the diary that I have updated to include a quote from YahooNews citing a congressional staffer.  The indication is that the Obama administration has no intention of changing DADT until the END of Obama's term.  Of course, when that comes around in 2012 I can guess that the spin then will be:  "wow, this is a tough position, we could give Republicans traction so we won't change it until after Obama gets elected."  And if that happens, more spin....

          Agree with you on Pietrangelo's situation and thanks for your work with SLDN.  

          "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

          by fflambeau on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 05:22:53 AM PDT

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