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  •  For the 500th time (5+ / 0-)
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    There are 1000 issues the president has to deal with. He's got thousands of advisors helping him. It would take a few town meetings, a meeting with congress, a stroke of the pen to put a moratorium on these dismissals until the issue can be resolved.

    Also so generous when people with full rights deem those without them to be silly and frivolous. So, what do you think would happen if suddenly someone who was black were kicked out of the military for being black? Or a woman? Or a Mexican? There would be mass outrage. But someone it's ok for the queers.

    Such bullshit. If he can stroll around Paris for his photo ops, he can issue a moratorium or have a 1/2 meeting with members of congress to speed up action on the bill.

    Oh, and if he missed the Steelers coming to the White House or missed one of Malia's soccer matches to make this happen, how would the world come to an end?

    Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

    by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 05:55:38 AM PDT

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    •  No. It's called political capital, and he knows (1+ / 0-)
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      what he was elected to accomplish in his first year. It is NOT about time, it is about keeping his coalition together to pass legislation that is most crucial. Debate whether he is right to care about health care, etc. more than gay issues, but stop pretending that this is a time issue. He has a strategy to accomplish ALL of his campaign promises, but everybody thinks that their pet issue should be done right now!

      I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

      by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:12:21 AM PDT

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      •  Bullshit bullshit bullshit (5+ / 0-)
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        If you think the Repugs won't fight him tooth and nail on every issue, SC appointments, EFCA, healthcare, the environment even without DADT you are on crack. Have you been awake the past few months? The Repugs force 60 votes on every damn little thing.

        How many coalitions did he build when no Republican votes for his budget?

        There will never be a good and convenient time for this. Yet he had no problem saying he will close Gitmo. He had no problem taking bold steps with GM. He had no problem mending fences with Muslims abroad. All pretty bold steps. Yet on this, he can't even hold a town hall or have a policy speech or meet with members of congress? Give me a fucking break.

        Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

        by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:23:14 AM PDT

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        •  You will see. By doing it in a logical order, (0+ / 0-)

          he'll get it all done. Those who argue that it is now or never will eat crow when it just gets done in a year or two or three. What is the big hurry with DADT anyhow? Are there not enough gay people dying in uniform now, we need to get more of them into body bags asap?

          I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

          by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:25:41 AM PDT

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          •  And again: (2+ / 0-)
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            Who gets to go to the back of the bus?

            •  That's ridiculous and very self-centered (0+ / 0-)

              IMO. There are literally thousands of individual issues out there of varying importance. Yet every year only some get to be effectively dealt with. Does that imply that everything else is "at the back of the bus"? I guess you can use that language if you want to, but it belies a lack of interest in all of the injustices that exist in this country right now that do not affect your own group. There's a whole lot of shit that Obama has to fix, and he has at least 4 years to do it.

              I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

              by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:49:25 AM PDT

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              •  I realize this: (3+ / 0-)
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                There are literally thousands of individual issues out there of varying importance. Yet every year only some get to be effectively dealt with.

                But the reason that I state that GLBT is at the back of the bus is because of the diarist's statement that Congress has kicked the can down the road until 2012 even though the SCOTUS refused to overturn it. Rights denied to one group of people affect all of us.

      •  So your position is ... (2+ / 0-)
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        that GLBT Americans who are active military men and women are not worthy of the expenditure of some 'political capital'.

        We get it, really, we do.

        "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ..... as long as you're heterosexual, no matter how many affairs or divorces or out of wedlock kids you have."

        by emsprater on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 07:06:35 AM PDT

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        •  No, they are not worthy though of the (0+ / 0-)

          expenditure of political capital at the expense of health care reform and the other 09 agenda items. There is a list of political priorities, and gay rights are on the list, but not at the top. No one here is saying that they are not on the list at all.

          I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

          by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:21:36 AM PDT

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          •  Look, politics is not a popularity contest. (1+ / 0-)
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            Right is right no matter how unpopular it is.

          •  So your decision is ... (1+ / 0-)
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            that the brave men and women of America who are actually putting their lives on the line for the American military (while also being homosexual) are not worthy of being higher on 'the list' than last (where they apparently are now).

            Apparently 'political capital' is also 'morally bankrupt'.

            "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ..... as long as you're heterosexual, no matter how many affairs or divorces or out of wedlock kids you have."

            by emsprater on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:29:43 AM PDT

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            •  My decision? No, it's not my (0+ / 0-)

              decision, or your decision. It is Barack Obama's decision, based on his sense of how to accomplish all that he promised. I happen to think that he knows what he's doing, so I do support him. But it is not my decision, not sure who you think I am but I assure you I am not all that important.

              I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

              by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:46:34 AM PDT

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              •  But see: (3+ / 0-)
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                As the Bush years should have taught you, you can't just blindly defer to authority. Sometimes, you have to be able to question authority. If MLK had adopted your tactics, Jim Crow would still be around today.

              •  Then you are a bigot (2+ / 0-)
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                You happn to not be thinking at all when you say "it's obama decision" and rather than deciding if it's the reight decision, you leave it at "it's obama's decision." You apparently decided to shut your braind down in nov 2008.

              •  if you support ... (0+ / 0-)

                what he is doing here, then it is also 'your decision'.

                That's what political opinion and commentary like we have here on dKos is all about: approval or disapproval of the actions of our elected leaders.  you seem to be fine with gays being left in the ditch.

                "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ..... as long as you're heterosexual, no matter how many affairs or divorces or out of wedlock kids you have."

                by emsprater on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 01:37:46 PM PDT

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    •  What a crock ! (0+ / 0-)

      Such bullshit. If he can stroll around Paris for his photo ops, he can issue a moratorium or have a 1/2 meeting with members of congress to speed up action on the bill.

      Oh, and if he missed the Steelers coming to the White House or missed one of Malia's soccer matches to make this happen, how would the world come to an end?

      What, the man is not allowed have a life ?

      What next, "Hey, boy" ?

      From Alabama to Obama - You've come a long way baby.
      The GOP is now the perfect size to drown in a bathtub.
      RNC = rush, newt, cheney

      by amk for obama on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:40:01 AM PDT

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      •  Um (3+ / 0-)
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        when it comes to choosing between working to end unconstitutional civil rights abuses in this country against American citizens and giving speeches to Muslims abroad, I expect him to work on the former at least concurrently. Fuck yes, my civil rights are just as important as what Egyptians think about Obama's take on the Muslim world.

        Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

        by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:00:35 AM PDT

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        •  You attack him personally and when called out, (0+ / 0-)

          you pull out some strawman BS.

          Enjoy your poutrage.

          From Alabama to Obama - You've come a long way baby.
          The GOP is now the perfect size to drown in a bathtub.
          RNC = rush, newt, cheney

          by amk for obama on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:02:50 PM PDT

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          •  Don't give a shit (0+ / 0-)

            what you think. You have not refuted anything I've said. What concretely has he done beyond nice words?
            You can't give an answer, so you provide your own BS.
            As to attacking him personally:

            1. He has not met his campaign promises in this area
            1. He has not STARTED to meet his campaign promises in this area
            1. Do I think these civil rights issues are equally important to GM, fuel emissions, relations with the Muslim world? YES. Hence, for the "no time" argument, I do say photo-ops with the Steelers are bullshit.

            If you want to see that as an attack, go ahead.

            But you're an Obama apologist. So he can never do no wrong. Any criticism is an attack.

            Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

            by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:27:18 PM PDT

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            •  Obama apologist ? That's all you got ? (0+ / 0-)

              OK. You have shot your wad. Go back to your corner and keep yelling.

              From Alabama to Obama - You've come a long way baby.
              The GOP is now the perfect size to drown in a bathtub.
              RNC = rush, newt, cheney

              by amk for obama on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:42:38 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

                keep talking all I like. But still no answer to my question: What concretely has he done beyond nice words in terms of his campaign promises to the GLBT community? You keep dancing around it, answer the question.

                Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

                by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:48:24 PM PDT

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              •  And yes (0+ / 0-)

                I think you are an Obama apologist. It means you won't admit when he does something wrong, ever.

                Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

                by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:54:41 PM PDT

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                •  meh. whatev. (0+ / 0-)

                  From Alabama to Obama - You've come a long way baby.
                  The GOP is now the perfect size to drown in a bathtub.
                  RNC = rush, newt, cheney

                  by amk for obama on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 07:11:51 PM PDT

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                  •  But still no answer to the question (0+ / 0-)

                    What has he concretely done for the GLBT community? No answer, right?

                    Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

                    by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 07:16:18 PM PDT

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