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  •  He can indeed lead on the issue. But (1+ / 0-)
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    he has chosen not to. He has chosen to lead, in 2009, on other, more important issues. Is DADT even as important to gay people as the other silly things he's working on like health care, energy, the environment, jobs, etc? Why should he lead on the issue now, when it is only possible to lead on a finite number of things at the same time? I understand the jobless insisting that he FOCUS on jobs now, I understand those without health care insisting that he FOCUS on health care now. But I do not understand for a minute those who insist on his focus on DADT now, other than that they are somewhat immature and, like children, want what they want RIGHT NOW.

    I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

    by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:23:24 AM PDT

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    •  Fuck off (4+ / 1-)
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      Again, you with full rights are not the sole decider of what is an "important issue". It's pretty simple - Obama seems to not want the 6 million votes he got from GLBT Americans. Many will be happy to deliver and leave the president box unchecked.

      On and when you all start putting up the Act Blue pages to support wonderful candidate X, we will be asking if they have done anything concrete on this issue. If they haven't, fuck them too, not a dime. Then I'm the decider of what's important when it comes to my time, money and activism.

      Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

      by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:31:55 AM PDT

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      •  HRed for "fuck off". Rude. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

        by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:15:50 AM PDT

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        •  He has every right to be upset. (0+ / 0-)

          Kicking the can down the road and hoping it will just go away is not an acceptable response to people who have been trampled on for the last 200+ years. And it's not appropriate to give out donuts to people with whom you are having a heated discussion with.

          •  He has no reason to say "fuck off" (0+ / 0-)

            to someone he's having a conversation with, even if we disagree on something. that is rude. It is indeed appropriate to give an HR when I am abused in that way; he is the one you should be chastising for going off the rails during a discussion.

            We're not even debating gay rights here. I am 100% for marriage, the repeals of DOMA and DADT, etc. All we're talking about is political strategy, this year vs. next year, etc. and I won't be told to fuck off.

            I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

            by doc2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 08:27:34 AM PDT

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    •  It's personal for you. (3+ / 0-)
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      But I do not understand for a minute those who insist on his focus on DADT now, other than that they are somewhat immature and, like children, want what they want RIGHT NOW.

      Let me make it as clear as possible -- What parts of the Constitution requiring us to treat everyone equally don't you understand?

      The Constitution is the most important thing. If we can't treat everyone equally, then all these other issues won't matter at all.

      •  And also (3+ / 0-)
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        we are losing important military specialists at a time of war.

        Also, an important brick in the struggle for African Amercian civil rights was desegregating the military. Things are getting worse for GLBT civil rights in this country, not better, despite the few states that offer gay marriage. In 34 states you can be fired for being gay. Violence against GLBT people is on the rise. Housing discrimination is rampant. Marriage equality hangs by a thread - what stops some new Republican governor in any state from having a ballot measure to stop gay marriage like in California?
        These are all basic civil rights issues. The most basic one would be repealing DADT. When people realize they can fight along side of gay and lesbian soldiers in life and death situations and call them brothers and sisters, that is an important start to change.

        Until Obama does something tangible for the GLBT community, beyond pretty speeches, he is just "All-Talk Barack"

        by gladkov on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:47:18 AM PDT

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