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  •  You see: (1+ / 0-)
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    emsprater

    You can't see why your demand that we sit in the back of the bus like a good little whipped puppy is so offensive to me and to other people here, so you make it personal. Not only do you lack basic history knowledge, you can't even relate to people who have different opinions than you. Don't they teach basic people skills at school anymore?

    •  Back to taking shots at my schooling? (0+ / 0-)

      You're a small person and undeserving of the title "Eternal Hope." You are neither.  Perhaps "Derisive Insult" would be a better choice for you.

      •  You started this war. (1+ / 0-)
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        emsprater

        You told us to go to the back of the bus. You finish it.

        •  So now it's a war. (0+ / 0-)

          And you're still putting words in my mouth.  How shameful.

          •  Nope. (1+ / 0-)
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            When you demonstrate a basic knowledge of our civil rights movement and how they did not accept the command, "wait," then I will think differently.

            •  Have I said that we shouldn't march? (0+ / 0-)

              You keep putting words in my mouth.  How shameless.

              I'd much rather we do hold a march on Washington this fall.  That would be brilliant.

              Let's organize it.

              •  Now, you're trying to have it both ways. (1+ / 0-)
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                First, you tell us to go to the back of the bus. Now, all of a sudden, you're all for marching.

                •  No, I'm simply not being the caricature (0+ / 0-)

                  you made up for me to be.

                  You seem to confuse understanding congressional and legislative priorities with advocacy.  They are two different animals.

                  •  Well, good luck with that. (1+ / 0-)
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                    emsprater

                    Seeing that you showed basic disrespect for the people you are supposedly so good at organizing for by telling them they should go to the back of the bus.

                    •  You are so very very angry. (0+ / 0-)

                      I'm going to put this down to you having a bad day.  I've never said anything of the sort, but you keep insisting on it.

                      It makes having a reasoned discussion with you difficult, but I suspect that's the point. I'm saying things you don't want to consider, so rather than consider them you've created a caricature for me to inhabit that you argue is so vile, so unworthy, that you don't even have to consider my views.

                      •  I'll tell you what. (1+ / 0-)
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                        emsprater

                        You have a choice -- and you cannot do both. You cannot make excuses for Congress and the President and then turn around and be all for organizing a protest march. If you want to be credible, you can pass on that it is not acceptable to kick the can down the road because there is a lot of widespread distrust of politicians making promises these days and that we need to see some movement on DADT now. Telling someone to wait 'til 2012 is like telling them to sit at the back of the bus. You seem to be an insider, seeing that you know all these rumors; the least you can do after the kind of disrespect you showed is to pass on our concerns. At least you would be useful. Or, you can get out the writings of King and Gandhi and read up on the civil rights movement and consider whether being an insider is the best spot for you. But just making excuses for the people who answer to us is not going to win you a lot of friends here.

                        •  People know of your "concerns" (did I do that (0+ / 0-)

                          right?) and really want people to know that we're working our asses off all over DC these days.  We can't help everyone at once, no matter what we'd like to do.

                          As for your position that I cannot do both at once, that I cannot understand the fact that our nation's leadership is literally triaging our national priorities while at the same time supporting protests to rally public support, I don't understand where you get that.  

                          •  That's nice. (1+ / 0-)
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                            But the problem is that I don't see it. I have no idea what anybody is doing to actually get something done about DADT. Nobody is communicating with us or letting us know what is going on. All we are hearing is Gates saying that we have to kick the can down the road and Congress saying DADT will not be on their agenda until 2012. And "we can't" is a copout. We did not become the country we are by "we can't." If you want to fit in here, I suggest you drop that term from your vocabulary. And if our Congresspeople can't do it, then they can find another line of work.

                          •  Well, if you're an example of the personality (0+ / 0-)

                            required to fit in here, I'd rather be a pariah.

                          •  It's funny in each stpe (1+ / 0-)
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                            you avoid the quesiton being raised as the hope becomes more precise. And at the end you do what most of the extremist supporters of Obama do. They demonize the questioners when they can not longer defends the congintive dissonance of what they are saying. You are trying to usurp the machinary and language of progressivism, but it's very Orwellian- because substantively you are not actuallly advocating any action at all. Notice here- all hope is asking for is some kind of timetable. You can't even discuss that without demonizing the questioner for daring to ask that question.

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