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  •  Me too. (1+ / 0-)
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    PhillyGal

    I want to vote Moran, but I am sort of "scared" to because I don't want progressives' vote-splitting to McAuliffe in there.

    I'd rather vote for my second choice (Deeds) than have Deeds narrowly lose to McAuliffe. I'm torn.

    "Yao from 20 ... yes!!!!!! Rockets by six. Great stuff. I haven't been this excited by a Chinese person since General Tso." -- Bill Simmons

    by malharden on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:22:48 AM PDT

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    •  You just made me realize (4+ / 0-)

      that my frustration with this race is that this necessary strategizing is taking precedence over the issues for me.  What I want more than anything is to pick a winning Dem, and that process is feeling incongruous with my real preference.  

    •  I understand the dilemma. (2+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, karenc

      Personally, while I'm biased as a Deeds supporter, I don't think Brian can win today or in November. Terry can win today, but I also don't think he can win in November. Deeds, IMO, can win today and in November--that's why I would say it's basically a choice between a protest vote for Brian, or your preferred nominee in either Creigh or Terry.

      -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

      by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:31:52 AM PDT

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      •  As usual, Kossacks lend (3+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal, Red Sox, malharden

        great clarity to a confusing situation.  Thanks all.  I'm going to vote!

      •  Red Sox is right (3+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal, Red Sox, malharden

        I think. So the question is whether to vote in the primary "strategically" or based on closeness of position of the candidate.  In some ways this is a perennial issue in elections -- it clearly influenced the Jim Webb vote as people looked toward who should take on George Allen

        •  No, he's not (1+ / 0-)
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          And I think he's a Deeds staffer or at least uber-volunteer.

          Any of these three can win in November.  I am sick of Red Sox trolling his venom around here--he's full o' shit. I have covered this at length in previous comments, but each candidate brings different strengths and weaknesses.

          They all could win, and they all could lose, as Laura Clawson correctly pointed out above.

          •  Trolling venom? (2+ / 0-)
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            PhillyGal, redding888

            That's not venom Doug, it's just an argument you don't like. And I'm not employed by Deeds or any other candidate.

            I am sick of Red Sox trolling his venom around here--he's full o' shit.

            Quoted for awesomeness. It's a shame that this is what you've reduced yourself to--I've enjoyed your commentary in multiple Virginia Democratic venues over the years, and look forward to reading/hearing more after this primary is over.

            All three candidates could definitely lose in November, but there isn't a particularly realistic scenario right now where Brian wins. McAuliffe is in almost as dire a situation. I know you disagree, and I can respect that, but what I can't respect is the idea that I don't get to advocate on behalf of my preferred candidate in terms of electability, among other issues.

            -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

            by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 01:48:00 PM PDT

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            •  It's not your advocacy that's shit (1+ / 0-)
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              PhillyGal

              It's your unsubstantiated incessant false claims that Moran cannot win.

              That's just not true.  Yes we disagree.  But your incessant repetition of an arguable that is potentially damaging to our nominee is not acceptable.

              This is why I have never really gone into detail about why I really don't like Terry McAuliffe.  If he wins, he needs to be a credible candidate with a credible shot.

              Why don't you try delineating your distinction on issues as well as your fave meme of electability?

              Because that's all you've got!  It's wrong.  My opinion, and the truth.

              •  He can't win in November, that's the unfortunate (1+ / 0-)
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                truth. You don't have to accept it, but it's reality. He has run as an unrepentant liberal in the primary, and while that kills among our guys, it doesn't get you to a plurality in November--it would be just as if the GOP nominated Bob Marshall or Eric Cantor statewide. Just look at the most recent head-to-head numbers:

                49% McDonnell (R)
                38% Moran (D)
                13% Undecided

                versus

                47% McDonnell (R)
                43% Deeds (D)
                11% Undecided

                Your candidate and his campaign have never shied away from saying why they think Terry and Creigh are bad choices, so you'll have to forgive me if I can't really respect that kind of argument from the Moran camp now. I fully support Brian's right to say why he thinks Creigh would be a bad choice, even if I don't agree with him, a right that Brian has not exactly shied away from once Creigh shot up in the polls.

                Put another way, why is it OK for Brian and his folks to effectively call Creigh a gun nut, but it's not OK for me to call Brian unelectable? Why is it OK for Brian to have spent much of the primary campaign going negative on Terry, but I can't factor in the reality that Brian is unelectable?

                -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

                by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 02:48:16 PM PDT

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      •  I voted for Deeds... (3+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal, Red Sox, redding888

        for many of the same reasons. Got to see all three give a pitch, early on in the contest. Deeds came across as "real" versus packaged. And his strength in the rest of the state (I'm NoVA) sealed the deal for me.

    •  NoVa progressive for Deeds (6+ / 0-)

      I had a tough decision to make between Moran and Deeds.  I don't like Terry from the Clinton campaign, and because I don't think he's done anything for VA - he just happens to get his mail here.

      In the past two weeks I decided to vote for Deeds.  If I just went by my views I might agree slightly more with Moran.  But I just prefer Deeds as a person and therefore as someone who could be my governor.  In my mind, Moran is a good progressive and a good legislator, but he doesn't have that executive temprament to him.  I just don't feel it.

      Deeds has some views that people could call conservative, but he is also pretty progressive in some important areas, particularly on transportation, which is a key issue here in NoVA.  He and I don't agree on gun issues, but the VA legislature is never going to pass a real gun control law, so honestly I don't worry about how my governor feels about it.  Besides - Dems win in this Commonwealth when they downplay guns as an issue or "prove" to most pro-gun voters that they are on their side.  In this case Deeds has a NRA "A" grade in his back pocket that is on the one hand disturbing but on the other hand he can hardly make VA more pro gun than it already is.  I just like the guy.

      •  Deeds troubles me... (1+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal

        Especially what I hear about:

        1. his comments basically boasting right-to-slave status of VA.
        1. Won't oppose new coal power plant, and
        1. Won't oppose mountain top removal.

        The guns and gay issues are important, but they are not going to move in VA anytime soon.  And, the term limit in VA is about 5 minutes.  So, I am trying to focus on what will actually be moving in the near-term.  (Though, that probably excludeds #1 above, which I view as very important.)

        http://bluevablog.blogspot.com/...

        http://george.loper.org/...
        (Totally dodges union questions and most of the low wage issues, as well.)

    •  Mal - (2+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, malharden

      I don't think that's an issue any longer.  The trendlines really have McAuliffe falling off a cliff.  I can't say that Deeds won't win this generally with his late-game surge, but I'll fall off my shoes if McAuliffe does (and you know I'm a Moran person).

    •  Voting for Second Choice (2+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, malharden

      What seems to be happening is a lot of Democrats who would normally vote for Moran have been convinced that voting for Deeds is the only way to not get McAuliffe.

      That's why I hate three-candidate elections.

      Maybe the last minute polling showing McAuliffe's numbers dropping as Deeds' went up will cause people to consider voting for who they really prefer.

      We debated a lot, but finally decided to vote our first choice for Moran.  Hope there are lots of people who decide that when they actually get in the booth.

      Surprise, we live in a Left-Of-Center Nation! Act accordingly.

      by VA Gal on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 12:59:18 PM PDT

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