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  •  I understand the dilemma. (2+ / 0-)
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    Personally, while I'm biased as a Deeds supporter, I don't think Brian can win today or in November. Terry can win today, but I also don't think he can win in November. Deeds, IMO, can win today and in November--that's why I would say it's basically a choice between a protest vote for Brian, or your preferred nominee in either Creigh or Terry.

    -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

    by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:31:52 AM PDT

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    •  As usual, Kossacks lend (3+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, Red Sox, malharden

      great clarity to a confusing situation.  Thanks all.  I'm going to vote!

    •  Red Sox is right (3+ / 0-)
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      I think. So the question is whether to vote in the primary "strategically" or based on closeness of position of the candidate.  In some ways this is a perennial issue in elections -- it clearly influenced the Jim Webb vote as people looked toward who should take on George Allen

      •  No, he's not (1+ / 0-)
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        And I think he's a Deeds staffer or at least uber-volunteer.

        Any of these three can win in November.  I am sick of Red Sox trolling his venom around here--he's full o' shit. I have covered this at length in previous comments, but each candidate brings different strengths and weaknesses.

        They all could win, and they all could lose, as Laura Clawson correctly pointed out above.

        •  Trolling venom? (2+ / 0-)
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          PhillyGal, redding888

          That's not venom Doug, it's just an argument you don't like. And I'm not employed by Deeds or any other candidate.

          I am sick of Red Sox trolling his venom around here--he's full o' shit.

          Quoted for awesomeness. It's a shame that this is what you've reduced yourself to--I've enjoyed your commentary in multiple Virginia Democratic venues over the years, and look forward to reading/hearing more after this primary is over.

          All three candidates could definitely lose in November, but there isn't a particularly realistic scenario right now where Brian wins. McAuliffe is in almost as dire a situation. I know you disagree, and I can respect that, but what I can't respect is the idea that I don't get to advocate on behalf of my preferred candidate in terms of electability, among other issues.

          -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

          by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 01:48:00 PM PDT

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          •  It's not your advocacy that's shit (1+ / 0-)
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            It's your unsubstantiated incessant false claims that Moran cannot win.

            That's just not true.  Yes we disagree.  But your incessant repetition of an arguable that is potentially damaging to our nominee is not acceptable.

            This is why I have never really gone into detail about why I really don't like Terry McAuliffe.  If he wins, he needs to be a credible candidate with a credible shot.

            Why don't you try delineating your distinction on issues as well as your fave meme of electability?

            Because that's all you've got!  It's wrong.  My opinion, and the truth.

            •  He can't win in November, that's the unfortunate (1+ / 0-)
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              truth. You don't have to accept it, but it's reality. He has run as an unrepentant liberal in the primary, and while that kills among our guys, it doesn't get you to a plurality in November--it would be just as if the GOP nominated Bob Marshall or Eric Cantor statewide. Just look at the most recent head-to-head numbers:

              49% McDonnell (R)
              38% Moran (D)
              13% Undecided


              47% McDonnell (R)
              43% Deeds (D)
              11% Undecided

              Your candidate and his campaign have never shied away from saying why they think Terry and Creigh are bad choices, so you'll have to forgive me if I can't really respect that kind of argument from the Moran camp now. I fully support Brian's right to say why he thinks Creigh would be a bad choice, even if I don't agree with him, a right that Brian has not exactly shied away from once Creigh shot up in the polls.

              Put another way, why is it OK for Brian and his folks to effectively call Creigh a gun nut, but it's not OK for me to call Brian unelectable? Why is it OK for Brian to have spent much of the primary campaign going negative on Terry, but I can't factor in the reality that Brian is unelectable?

              -1.50, -3.95 | VA 2009: Deeds / Wagner / Shannon

              by Red Sox on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 02:48:16 PM PDT

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    •  I voted for Deeds... (3+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, Red Sox, redding888

      for many of the same reasons. Got to see all three give a pitch, early on in the contest. Deeds came across as "real" versus packaged. And his strength in the rest of the state (I'm NoVA) sealed the deal for me.

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