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  •  He isn't a conspiracy theorist. (8+ / 0-)

    He is a White Supremacist.

    He is not crazy.

    He hates people based on their race and religion.

    That makes him a fucking idiotic creep and a hearless bastard, but that doesn't make him crazy.

    •  Crazy like a Fox (1+ / 0-)
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      The behavior is crazy.Sometime words can't describe these horrors. Crazy is inadequate.

      All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

      by amazinggrace on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 12:55:31 PM PDT

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    •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      In addition to the hating, he thinks the Holocaust is a lie and would presumably say that there has been a massive conspiracy to cover up the truth and promote that lie.

      And that's pretty f'ing crazy if you ask me.

      •  No - he knows he's lying. (2+ / 0-)
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        He denies the Holocaust on the one hand and then says Hitler should have finished the job on the other.  He's a lying, hateful, screwed up person, but he isn't crazy.

        •  Well, not to quibble (though I'm prone to that).. (4+ / 0-)

          But most true white supramacists/Nazis/KKK types are conspiracy theorists in the sense that they believe "the Jews" are spearheading this massive attempt to destroy the white race.

          Since I'm of Jewish ancestry, I've always had a perverse fascination with their literature because of the bizarre, borderline sci-fi assumptions they made about what it means to be Jewish. If you ever try reading the Turner Diaries (I've found parts of it online but I don't recommend trying), you'll see a truly hysterical/delusional world view. It's also blood thirsty, sick stuff, not surprisingly.

          Anyhow, I've joked about this for years, but I half-expected that on my 21st birthday or something, my father would take my aside and give me my secret Jewish world domination decoder ring and tell me that my 3-picture deal at Warners was waiting in trust!

          Forward to Yesterday -- Reactionary aesthetics and liberal politics (in that order)

          by LABobsterofAnaheim on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 02:14:33 PM PDT

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          •  Sadly, I actually know some people who (2+ / 0-)
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            live in fear that my white aryan race will be overcome by "other people".  They aren't crazy.  On the most fundamental level they are simply wrong; unbelievably ignorant, short sighted and sometimes - but not always - frighteningly stupid.  But they aren't "crazy".

            For instance, Limbaugh claimed today that von Brunn is a "leftist".  He is a deliberate fucking liar.  Nothing to do with "crazy".  Destructive, devious, dangerous - yes - but crazy - no.

            •  You don't need to be crazy to be delusional. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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              Forward to Yesterday -- Reactionary aesthetics and liberal politics (in that order)

              by LABobsterofAnaheim on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 06:32:07 PM PDT

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            •  I think that people are saying "crazy" in (2+ / 0-)
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              the everyday sense, that anyone who would believe what he does are not normal, not sane, not right in the head.  It doesn't mean he is crazy in the legal, "not responsible for his actions" sense.  I think the man is both batshit crazy, and totally responsible for his actions.  He does not have a defined mental disease, but he is majorly messed up.

              •  The reasons that I take issue with this emphasis (0+ / 0-)

                on "crazy" are two fold.  First is that it creates the illusion that these people who are really just extremly hateful and mean are at some level not responsible for their own actions and beliefs - which I believe is misleading - and ultimately down plays how dangerous these people really can be.  Crazy is the guy who used to take a swing at me at least once a week in front of my office for years and years - you could see and feel his "crazy" well before he got close to you.  People like von Brunn are not identifiable in that way because they actually appear to be quite normal - except for their extreme hatred.  FWIW his ex-wife said she didn't find out that he was a White Supremacist until after they got married.

                George Allen had a bright political career ahead of him - the lynching noose in his office and his love for the Confederate flag (a son of Orange County California no less) were considered "okay" - it was only when he called a kid "macaca" in public that people thought that there might be something more there.  Of course, those of us with some experience could have told anyone that the noose was a big clue - but to many that thought would have been "crazy".  And Allen didn't appear to be crazy to them so it wasn't possible to believe that he'd really be so full of resentment and hate at this point in history.

                That's why I tend to go with hateful, mean, bullying, destructive and most importantly WORNG when I characterize these people.

                The party line on Morning Joke today was that von Brunn is just so crazy and extreme that the can't be counted amongst any political movement.  Well, if you've watched Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck or listened to Rush Limbaugh, I think you can say that von Brunn is a part of a movement and it is theirs.  He's no more crazy extreme than they are.  von Brunn's actions in actually taking up arms rather than just ranting on endlessly about it is the only thing that separates him from those talking heads - all of whom count themselves as part of the conservative movement in America.  I really don't want them to get away with pretending like this guy is "crazy" when he is in many ways just gutsier than they are.

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