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  •  Sadly, I actually know some people who (2+ / 0-)
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    LABobsterofAnaheim, Pris from LA

    live in fear that my white aryan race will be overcome by "other people".  They aren't crazy.  On the most fundamental level they are simply wrong; unbelievably ignorant, short sighted and sometimes - but not always - frighteningly stupid.  But they aren't "crazy".

    For instance, Limbaugh claimed today that von Brunn is a "leftist".  He is a deliberate fucking liar.  Nothing to do with "crazy".  Destructive, devious, dangerous - yes - but crazy - no.

    •  You don't need to be crazy to be delusional. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      inclusiveheart, Pris from LA

      Forward to Yesterday -- Reactionary aesthetics and liberal politics (in that order)

      by LABobsterofAnaheim on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 06:32:07 PM PDT

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    •  I think that people are saying "crazy" in (2+ / 0-)
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      inclusiveheart, Pris from LA

      the everyday sense, that anyone who would believe what he does are not normal, not sane, not right in the head.  It doesn't mean he is crazy in the legal, "not responsible for his actions" sense.  I think the man is both batshit crazy, and totally responsible for his actions.  He does not have a defined mental disease, but he is majorly messed up.

      •  The reasons that I take issue with this emphasis (0+ / 0-)

        on "crazy" are two fold.  First is that it creates the illusion that these people who are really just extremly hateful and mean are at some level not responsible for their own actions and beliefs - which I believe is misleading - and ultimately down plays how dangerous these people really can be.  Crazy is the guy who used to take a swing at me at least once a week in front of my office for years and years - you could see and feel his "crazy" well before he got close to you.  People like von Brunn are not identifiable in that way because they actually appear to be quite normal - except for their extreme hatred.  FWIW his ex-wife said she didn't find out that he was a White Supremacist until after they got married.

        George Allen had a bright political career ahead of him - the lynching noose in his office and his love for the Confederate flag (a son of Orange County California no less) were considered "okay" - it was only when he called a kid "macaca" in public that people thought that there might be something more there.  Of course, those of us with some experience could have told anyone that the noose was a big clue - but to many that thought would have been "crazy".  And Allen didn't appear to be crazy to them so it wasn't possible to believe that he'd really be so full of resentment and hate at this point in history.

        That's why I tend to go with hateful, mean, bullying, destructive and most importantly WORNG when I characterize these people.

        The party line on Morning Joke today was that von Brunn is just so crazy and extreme that the can't be counted amongst any political movement.  Well, if you've watched Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck or listened to Rush Limbaugh, I think you can say that von Brunn is a part of a movement and it is theirs.  He's no more crazy extreme than they are.  von Brunn's actions in actually taking up arms rather than just ranting on endlessly about it is the only thing that separates him from those talking heads - all of whom count themselves as part of the conservative movement in America.  I really don't want them to get away with pretending like this guy is "crazy" when he is in many ways just gutsier than they are.

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