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  •  Wow. A Democrat who takes a stand. (none)
    Can we export of couple of Dems like her down to DC?

    She stood up for herself and didn't let her pastor define her on one issue. Good for her.

    •  Another Dem Taking A Stand (none)
      Kathleen Sebelius, Democratic pro-choice Governor of Kansas, successfully stood up to similar pressure by Archbishop James Keleher. Abortion Stirs Inaugural Spat
      •  These guys are like any other bullies (none)
        They get their way as long as we let them.  When we start standing up to them others who think like us do the same.  
      •  I've just become... (none)
        a fan of Gov. Sebelius.  Any chance she might run for national office in 2008?

        I'm tired of the interference of the Catholic Church in politics when it emphasizes only a select few "moral" issues.  And I'm a Catholic who attends Mass, but no longer contributes financially to the church.  

        I'm tired of cafeteria bishops and priests!

        I'm anti-abortion, but I'm willing to allow others to differ with me.  I'm also more worried about divorce and child and spousal abuse than I am same-sex marriage.  I support love over hate - both heterosexual and homosexual.  

        Some day the Catholic church will "update" its teachings on homosexuality as it's done on many other issues.  

        Gosh one day we might even see a female priest or bishop.  No wait - I must be in an alternate universe!

        •  I am against abortion (4.00)
          and I am against banning it.
          I am against drugs, and I am against banning them.
          I am against smoking, and I am against banning it.
          I am against reality television, and I am against banning it.
          •  hmm (none)
            Reality TV is the scariest, most dangerous thing on your list

            :)

            Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

            by Sarkasba on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 08:36:08 AM PST

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        •  Gov. Sebelius (none)
          Governor Sebelius of Kansas is, I believe, the first woman to serve as governor whose father was also a governor. As a good Ohioan, you should know her father was Gov. John J. "Jack" Gilligan (D), who served as Governor of Ohio 1971-75.

          Gov. Gilligan lives just around the corner from me, and is still active in politics; in his 80s, he serves on the Cincinnati School Board.

          WF

          Walk In Brain - the finest blogging in my apartment building.

          by Wes F on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 08:20:37 AM PST

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          •  More about Governor Sebelius (none)
            She has also been strong fighting against our wingnut AG to not enforce his opinion where any juvenile seeking birth control, or seen in any medical health manner who has been sexually active, would need to be reported as a victim of sexual crime.  Our AG repug states this is prima facie evidence of victim of sex crime.  Anyway, that would mean any juvenile receiving an abortion would be reported, and then investigated, as "victim" of sex crime.  So far, this position is not treated as valid.  The Governor does not require that we in the public sector honor it.  
          •  Gov. Gilligan was ... (none)
            a great governor and from what I've heard is still an excellent public servant as a member of the board of education.  I have friends in Cincy who think he's the best politician ever to come out of Cincy.  

            Thanks for reminding me about the governor's dad.  Now I know she should run for national office.  She gets her courage and morality naturally.  

    •  Hell, this is Massachusetts ... (none)
      ... we have Republicans who take stands. Our Republican state senator wrote a column for a local newspaper publicly supporting marriage equality. My partner and I sent him a nice thank-you letter and a campaign donation.

      Proud member of the reality-based minority

      by Bearpaw on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 12:28:21 PM PST

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      •  MA Republicans... (none)
        ...are not half bad, Mitt Romney excepted. Governor Bill Weld and Paul Cellucci attended the wedding of gay staffers (I think Weld even officiated, not sure).

        For the most part....the Republicans up here are the real blue types. But I have seen a very disturbing red trend among them.

        If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine

        by BullittStang on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 01:30:21 PM PST

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