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  •  An acorn is not a tree... (none)
    a zygote is not a human being

    Show me where in the bible abortion is discussed.

    I think the old testament says something about a fine for causeing an unwanted miscarriage.  Nothing about voluntary termination of a pregnancy.

    Is the Church always right?  I don't know, let's ask Galileo about that earth being the center of the universe thing.

    •  What you are looker for is (none)
      Ex 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman WITH CHILD, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

      They definately separate the idea of an unborn from the born. They do leave it up to the Judges, but do not treat is as a murder. Some will argue the "mischief" clause and indicating this refers to premature birth, but I cannot find that. The term is translated as evil, harm, or hurt. But is this harm to the mother or child I do not know.

      We observe, you decide. Kerry/Edwards 04 (just a little late)

      by Tomtech on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 09:16:53 AM PST

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      •  Another point. (none)
        The very next verse is the famous "eye for an eye" verse that Jesus uses to contrast the "New Covenant" responsibility of love and forgiveness with the "Old covenant" emphasis on legalism and retribution. This seems like a very good place to realize that the anti chioce people have reverted to old covenant legalistic attitudes which have no relationship with the teachings of my, and hopefully your, Christ

        We observe, you decide. Kerry/Edwards 04 (just a little late)

        by Tomtech on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 09:25:30 AM PST

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    •  So when does an acorn become an oak? (none)
      When it sprouts?  When the taproot forms? When it's shoot emerges from the ground?  

      Can anything other than an acorn become an oak?

      No offense, but it's not a simple issue.

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