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View Diary: And so it begins....Church lays down the law. (185 comments)

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  •  Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! (none)

    You just nailed it.

    Which begs the question: At what point do progressive churchgoers stand up and walk out on their intolerant leaders?

    I say it starts now.  It's time to starve the beast.  Besides, there are plenty of open-minded churches around who could use new members.

    •  Want to convert? (none)

      The Episcopal Church Welcomes You

      We have all seven Sacraments.  Anointing of the Sick was never Extreme Unction.  

      •  paulist catholics welcome you also! (none)
      •  Episcopal Church: Good choice for catholics (none)
        I'm a unitarian-universalist now, Unitarian Universalist Association, but was raised a catholic and take communion at our local Episcopal church every Xmas.

        They have open communion so anybody who was baptized in christ is welcome to recieve. I think people need to start taking a hard look at their faith communities and leaving the more intolerant ones and finding more welcoming, open, and progressive communities.

        •  exactly (none)
          I want a religion that fits my lifestyle.
          •  Then perhaps the Episcopal Church is not for you. (none)

            Going from a church where a thousand people choose from three services to a church where 30-120 people have one service to choose will involve some lifestyle change.  

            You will lose your Sunday anonymity.  Ten minutes into Coffee Hour, the pastor knows your name and will know it for the rest of his life.  By week two, half the congregation will know your name.  You have 40 names to learn and they have one.  By week four, the Youth Group needs a new leader, a real musician would be so nice, the building needs repair and the bishop/harvest festival/spaghetti dinner is coming.  And, of course, should you absent yourself for a week, you don't automatically get disbarred from the Communion rail, but you are missed.  (In a typically large Catholic parish, nobody notices.)  

            Prepare to double or triple your giving to the parish.  Typically, Catholics put in 1.0%-1.3% of income into the collection basket.  In a congregation where 40 attend services, that will not do.  The pastor deserves something for his/her efforts and the building does not maintain itself!    Do the math, and you'll see that your share of the budget is no longer $550 -- it's $1,200!  And there are not 500 other adults to pick up the slack;  there are 40 or 50.  

            Then come the good works.  When the parish has a food drive, plan on spending Saturday evening packing the hampers or Sunday morning distributing them.  Or don't do your share, and let your choice of Catholic or liberal guilt come into play here; we respect all Christian and/or humane traditions!

            This isn't meant to be a complaint.  In most cases, the yoke is easy, the burden light and the welcome warm.  And I can't say how much it meant to request prayers on the upcoming election and hear this added to the Prayers of the People on October 24 and 31:

            ...and particularly guide those who are candidates in the coming election, those who are working for the election, and those who administer the voting process, that by faithful administration and wise laws, the rights of all may be protected and our nation be enabled to fulfill your purposes...

            If by "lifestyle", psalmchantingiconkisser, you meant "sexual orientation" or "marital status", you may have a point, in some cases, in some Episcopal dioceses.  Just don't switch denominations to Episcopal and expect all of your Catholic habits to remain unexamined.  

    •  Starve the beast (none)
      People who want may continue to go to church, however, instead of tithing?? to the church donate money to another good cause. 'meals on wheels' or something. Pass the word.

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