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  •  It's disturbing to realize (4+ / 0-)
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    that safety regulations largely come from preventable disasters. Other than profit margins, one has wonder why business still refuse to voluntarily do the things they need to do to keep their customers safe.

    Rest in Peace, Stephen T. Johns.

    by Casual Wednesday on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 05:47:10 PM PDT

    •  Profit, profit, profit. (3+ / 0-)
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      I don't know if there is any other reason in a case like this.

      Reading about the crowd obstructed by overturned chairs and tables, I was reminded of a performance I attended at Second City in Chicago several years ago, and how I had to sit with my knees separated because I had to practically straddle the person sitting in the row in front of our table (rows of tables were on a sort of stair-stepped floor.  I'd almost like to see the room again to see if it really was as packed as I remember, and gauge what the results would have been if there had been a fire and panic in there.

      People with advantages are loath to believe that they just happen to be people with advantages. --C. Wright Mills

      by dsteffen on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 05:53:23 PM PDT

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    •  There is a degree of laziness as well as profit (3+ / 0-)
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      motivations.

      It's easy to come up with a cool concept for a club, not so easy to build it safely. Someone who just wants to sling drinks and make money will often have little patience for the details needed for a safe environment.

      This can be demonstrated by issues with non-profit organizations such as churches. I've done a lot of work around churches for their theatrical systems, and the casual attitude towards safety is often disturbing. There was a video I saw on TV once of a fire started by the use of open flame during a rehearsal for a Christmas play. Let's be clear-open flame and dry hay DO NOT MIX.

      The sad thing with the church fire is that there are many inexpensive products available that would have prevented the fire. There are excellent electronic candles that are hard to tell from the real thing, and there are flame retardants that can be used to treat flammables used for scenery.

      I've also had people ask me to sell them or tell them what they needed to fly a person in a play-an angel flying, Jesus ascending to Heaven, etc. There is only one answer to this-hire a professional to do it. I've had people get really mad at me for that answer, but seriously, folks, a dead Easter Jesus in the center of the church just does not make for a happy holiday.

      So it is sometimes more than just profit motive. Certainly things like locking exit doors is a profit oriented decision, but interior decorations without proper flame proofing are more likely laziness.

      Live Free or Die-words to live by

      by ForFreedom on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 08:01:09 PM PDT

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      •  Good respose. (3+ / 0-)
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        I was a little off the cuff with my "profit" answer and I knew even as I was writing it that it's more complicated than that.

        Laziness is certainly a factor.  Inexperience and not thinking through what the consequences could be are factors in others.  And let's face it, codes are often big, sometimes very complex and highly technical documents, and for, as per your example, a non-profit, or even a small businessperson with limited expertise in the area to dive into a situation of having to understand, implement, and enforce adherence to code-compliant practices without at least some degree of professional guidance is unlikely to yield the best results.

        And in any case, compliance with codes in any organization is only as good as the leadership that is responsible for seeing that regulations are followed, something I plan to touch on in an upcoming entry in this series.

        People with advantages are loath to believe that they just happen to be people with advantages. --C. Wright Mills

        by dsteffen on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 08:20:28 PM PDT

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        •  I'm working on a diary (3+ / 0-)
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          on code development-specifically as it applies to energy codes, and some of the current issues. Mind if I link to your diary on compliance?

          Codes are complex and technical, but responsible people at least ask before doing something. Leadership is certainly responsible for that, although their responsibility varies between organinzations and the way they are sructured.

          Looking forward to your next diary.

          Live Free or Die-words to live by

          by ForFreedom on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 08:26:21 PM PDT

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