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  •  R'd But (4+ / 0-)

    when you get right down to it, how many nations in the ME region do we actually have good foreign relations with? three?

    and again, look at the larger context here in terms of regional power-- Israel, the U.S., Saudi Arabia, etc., do not want Iran to be a major regional power; they're actions, rhetoric for years now (including the attempt at nuclear apartheid) have been built around that desire.

    unfortunately, Obama's rhetoric early on indicated no real change in this.

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    by Superpole on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 12:04:10 PM PDT

    •  It does not really matter what other (9+ / 0-)

      states in the ME want, Iran will be a major power in the region. We might as well recognize reality.

      I also want to see us get teh hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the quickest way to do that is to reach some understandings with Iran. We can't leave and have everything degenerate into civil war and violence.

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      by FrankCornish on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 12:13:01 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed, Except (2+ / 0-)
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        We can't leave and have everything degenerate into civil war and violence.

        sorry, but I'm a bit tired of the arrogance/imperialism that goes with this line of thinking.

        unless you want to take the final step and just be honest:

        we can't leave because a relatively cheap, subsidized oil supply coming to the U.S. from the ME region is in our economic best interests. it really has nothing to do with the political situation (note the recent thaw in relations with Libya's dictator) nor does it have anything to do with "democracy" in the region.

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        by Superpole on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 12:22:15 PM PDT

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        •  I'm skeptical... (2+ / 0-)
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          I wonder how much oil are we getting now from Iraq, how much are we likely to be getting by the time currently scheduled troop draw-downs are finished? I agree it's good to be skeptical of people who talk about "instability" coming from a rapid withdrawal from Iraq but I don't think that assessment is entirely a pretext to guarantee oil supplies, unless you're talking about the difference between complete withdrawal vs continuing but small military presence there.

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