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  •  the Iranian people are courageous (17+ / 0-)

    They're revolting in the face of inprisonment and death. I doubt that we Americans could muster the inconvenience of revolt like this anymore. Very sad statement about what we've become. (Where was this kind of action in 2000 over the Bush regime coup?)

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 08:29:11 AM PDT

    •  I think we could, given the right event n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      Economic Left/Right: -9.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

      by rexymeteorite on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 08:30:59 AM PDT

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    •  If the Bush régime coup looked anything (7+ / 0-)

      like Ahmanejihad's, you'd be right. However sketchy the 2000 results were, and however thuggish the Brooks Brothers Riot was, and however cowardly Bush v. Gore was, it was nothing like this.

      If every poll in 2004 had given Bush 20-30% of the vote, with nearly half of respondents refusing to answer the polls(!), and in an environment where speech against the government can result in imprisonment an election was held where Bush rapidly claimed national victory by 63%-30% against three other credible challengers and started to openly destroy ballots as foreign troops deployed with live ammunition against his own people? I don't think America would have been quite so passive. The 2000 election went the way it did because it really was close enough for behind-the-scenes power brokers like James Baker to nudge Bush into office, and because the political climate in the US was (and remains) free and open enough that more than half of people polled actually feel safe responding.

      [F]or too many, the cruelty of our system is part of its appeal. - eightlivesleft

      by oldjohnbrown on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 08:40:19 AM PDT

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    •  Virtually Half the Electorate Supported Him (1+ / 0-)
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      and a big fraction of the country were unconcerned enough not to vote.

      We broke down all the way to a formal civil war without having millions of ordinary citizens mobbing the streets everywhere.

      Americans as a whole haven't ever felt that much desperation, only the occasional niche population of minorities or some economic group.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 09:20:03 AM PDT

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      •  No - TV'd be looping the counter-demos if he had (0+ / 0-)

        any real support.  Instead, we get massive #s of peaceful protesters beaten and the Supreme Leader trying to buy time whiel legitimizing doubts about the election's fairness.

        I tend to think Imanutjob shot his wad Sunday and those were likely bused in and 'paid'.  Claims otherwise sound all too like what the East German's claimed while state Tv showed crickets and millions protested in the streets.

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