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  •  Showing us how it's done (5+ / 0-)

    At the 2004 RNC, Mayor Bloomberg disallowed demonstrations in Central Park because the grass would get trampled, and the organizers complied.

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 08:30:59 AM PDT

    •  Why would you want to? (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously, that was a Primary where debate is permitted.  Destructive protests should never be permitted in a healthy society.  Protest space was permitted.

      There's a time for civil disobedience and that clearly wasn't it.  We don't need disobedience and destruction at every protest to make a point.

      •  Because the reasons given were lies (1+ / 0-)
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        and because our society is only as representative as we make it.

        "Destructive protests should never be permitted."  Who is to say what's destructive and what's not, Bloomberg?  Bush?

        If the real reasons for denying the permit, that it would tarnish the Republicans' image and that it would garner public attention for anti-war perspectives, were announced instead of the lies, would you still be in favor of complying with the denial?  And, if not, do the lies make it okay?

        There were important points the protestors would've made that didn't get made, even where "debate is permitted."

        We let our freedom go so easily.  Bush/Cheney and the rest knew and know how much theft of liberty, livelihood, and life they can get away with.

        Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

        by Simplify on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 08:53:42 AM PDT

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        •  That's fine, but (0+ / 0-)

          Who makes the decision that a protest point was not made?

          Grass is freaking expensive (I've been sodding recently -- never again!).  

          I think Bloomberg's response was reasonable and the protesters complied because they thought it was reasonable.

          It would be interesting to know for sure, but I think your call for civil disobedience in this situation was unreasonable.

          •  Nothing about Bloomberg's response was (3+ / 0-)
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            reasonable. He had police spies infiltrating non-violent groups - including "Billionaires for Bush," for God's sake.

            As for the grass, we do not live in a grass museum, we live in one of the world's great cities. I was at No Nukes in the early 80s, on the Great Lawn in Central Park, with hundreds of thousands of other people. It was marvelous, and the grass recovered.

            You can tell you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people you do. - Anne Lamott

            by javelina on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 09:39:24 AM PDT

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