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  •  But it wasn't rationed. (10+ / 0-)

    They would have to seriously misinterpret.  The IVF is in a way "rationed", in that I can't have more than 3 attempts; but at the same time, research shows that if it hasn't worked by the third attempt, it most likely won't.  I, too, have had to wait to get in to specialists and tests in the US; the waiting times here are comparable and the prices lower, and no nonsense about whether or not it's covered.

    For that matter, the only reason I had to wait so long on my skin tumor was because of the location; my GP didn't want to attempt to removed it because it's in the middle of my face.  She referred me to a plastic surgeon, to minimize scarring and damage.

    "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."-- Isaac Asimov.

    by ssundstoel on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 05:34:52 AM PDT

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    •  I agree that it wasn't rationed - but that's the (5+ / 0-)
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      way the anti-public option keep framing it, and they refuse to admit it is going on right now in the US.

      A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. -Greek proverb

      by marleycat on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 05:56:14 AM PDT

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      •  The problem is (6+ / 0-)

        everybody knows it's going on, and they know why.

        Part of it is financial - you don't go to the doctor if you don't have money to pay for it (and even with insurance, you'll pay SOMETHING), and if you're scared it might be serious and mean surgery, unpaid time off, or big medical bills, you're even LESS likely to go.

        So when you DO finally see a doctor, it's a huge problem, possibly a debilitating one - and completely preventable.

        The other part is that even if you DO have good coverage, you often have to wait to see a specialist. You might have to wait a few weeks or longer for surgery - even if it's cancer or anything other than a immediate life-threatening emergency.

        So waits aren't unusual.

      •  Its how you define rationing... (2+ / 0-)
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        I am open in saying that "care" is "rationed" in the UK.

        You just have to know what the definition of "rationing is."

        In the US, most Americans can ask their Doctor for whatever they have seen on television.

        In the UK, the GP tells you what to take not the other way around.

        a GP in the UK is also less likely to utilize extra testing.

        In the US, I had an argument with my physician because his battery of blood testing, which Blue Cross paid, included a sickle cell test.

        Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against testing for sickle cell and think it is a great diagnostic test for people at risk. My risk factor is 0.00000000000000000000% as I am a typical chalk skin Brit!

        I told that story to my GP here and he laughed.

        Former Republican, voted for Obama, tri-national (British, Irish, EU Citizen also US) card carrying member of New Labour, that works in The City.

        by Libertarian Friend on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 12:43:57 PM PDT

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