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  •  No offense but (4+ / 0-)

    black people don't exactly have a monopoly on slavery victimhood. Slavery over the past several thousand years has taken many forms. The slavery of blacks in this country was particularly pernicious to be sure, but it was by no means the only defining form of that evil institution.

    By Definition:

    Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others.

    None of the other criteria you site are required to be fairly applied to the definition of a state of slavery.

    "crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

    by Phil In Denver on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:51:41 AM PDT

    •  Virtually every black person in America... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...can trace his ancestry to slaves (Obama being an obvious exception). What other group can make that claim?

      The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -Bertrand Russell

      by mftalbot on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:56:48 AM PDT

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      •  Is there a point in there somewhere? (2+ / 0-)
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        The diarist is not a slave, the diarist has never been a slave, and no one he knows or has ever known has ever been a slave. It is in fact a purely theoretical concept to him as it is to most of us.

        If tracing one's ancestry to slavery is the measure then my own ancesters were enslaved by the Romans. Many jews were enslaved by the Egyptians. And nearly every Latin American's ancestors were enslaved at one time or another by the great meso-American city states and empires of the Inca, Aztecs, Maya, Toltecs, Olmecs etc. The distance of history (or lack therof) does not magically confer the right to offense nor definition of the institution.

        "crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

        by Phil In Denver on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 12:08:53 PM PDT

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      •  President Obama's (1+ / 0-)
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        African side of the family WERE  slaves.Any black person anywhere in the world has experienced racism.They lynch Kenyans during the Mau-Mau rebellion just like they lynch Nat Turner's group during the insurrection. In Rwanda the Belgians pitted the Hutus against the Tutsis.The republiklans use this method to have blacks arguing with each other instead of helping each other.

        Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

        by kid funkadelic on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 01:35:50 PM PDT

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    •  Not all slavery systems (4+ / 0-)

      Not all slavery systems define the child of a slave as automatically a slave.

      The specific act of saying that the child of a black person was automatically a slave was the cornerstone of the white supremacist ideology in America, which in turn is the cornerstone of Southern (now American) conservatism - the idea that white Christian Americans are now God's chosen people, tasked with enforcing His brutal rules at home and even globally.

      Even though most conservatives would deny being racist, look at the chaos and madness that a black president has caused in their ranks compared to the more genuinely radical FDR.  White supremacy was the foundation of their world-view even if they didn't realize it.

    •  I find your use of the term (4+ / 0-)
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      "victimhood" to be both offensive and insulting and wrong.

      That's a term that gets used by the Right to dismiss justice claims and violent histories of enslavement/abuse/denial of rights against communities of color.  

      "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

      by RadioGirl on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 12:41:08 PM PDT

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