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  •  I hesitate to even speak up... (8+ / 0-)

    ...because every time I do, some atheist tells me I'm atheist as well, when in reality, I'm a taoist and the question of existence of gods just has no relevance whatsoever in my life.

    •  heh. That makes you an atheist (0+ / 0-)

      since gods are only relevant to theists :)

      •  eh. no. atheist find the existence of god(s)... (0+ / 0-)

        ...a defining feature of their self-definition.

        •  It just means they've thought about the question (0+ / 0-)

          enough to find themselves an answer. If it doesn't matter to you, you could be an apatheist. You could also say non-theist, but that probably wouldn't shut them up as fast :)

          We're on a blind date with Destiny, and it looks like she's ordered the lobster!

          by Prof Haley on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:11:24 PM PDT

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        •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

          I go for extended periods not thinking about god(s) and when I do it's usually from an anthropological perspective. Obviously you think about gods, probably as much as I do since you commented in this thread.

        •  Daoists aren't very fond of labels (1+ / 0-)
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          "The name that can be named is not...the everlasting name."

          I'm very fond of Daoism. Closest expressed philosophy that fits my notions. I have a hard time calling myself that, but I suppose I am a daoist.

          •  Pronounced thusly (0+ / 0-)

            but usually spelled with a "T". Taoism.

            Dick Cheney rhymes with "sick meanie." Pass it on.

            by LaughingPlanet on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 10:24:51 PM PDT

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            •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

              In Pinyin, which is the modern system of transliteration that's been in use for several decades in China, and is generally preferred nowadays, it is correctly spelled "daoism." A great many of old books are still around which use the old Wade-Giles system, and hence, many people are fond of the "tao" spelling simply because of familiarity. But in modern books, "dao" is increasingly used.

              In China, it is spelled with the "d" in schools. Most schools in China teach English to kids, and the pinyin system is widely taught.

              Most scholars prefer the pinyin system, because it is simpler and linguistically more correct.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              •  Which is why (0+ / 0-)

                I said usually. I'm well-versed in pinyin, but at times like this, people might find they are better understood to use the spelling most countries recognize.

                Dick Cheney rhymes with "sick meanie." Pass it on.

                by LaughingPlanet on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30:31 PM PDT

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                •  Ah, but there is no harm in introducing (0+ / 0-)

                  something new, although pinyin isn't so new anymore. 1.5 billion people in China are taught this system, in addition to the traditional characters, and it is their language, after all.

                  In most good, modern translations of texts that are recently published, pinyin is now used. In all the translated texts that are used in my profession, pinyin is always used, when actual characters are not. My Chinese professors always used pinyin romanization. With anyone familiar with Chinese philosophy, pinyin will have been encountered. It is becoming very commonplace.

                  It is absolutely correct to use pinyin.

                •  It is also not quite true (1+ / 0-)
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                  that other countries don't use pinyin. For example, "Beijing," the city, used to be spelled Peking, but who uses that old spelling anymore? Beijing is the Pinyin spelling. Look at a modern map.

                  Here's a few other examples you probably will recognize:

                  qi gong
                  tai ji chuan
                  gong fu
                  Nan Jing

                  Anyway...you get the idea.

                  •  i'm sure lots has been written (0+ / 0-)

                    on this subject that is more interesting than either of us might have to say about it.

                    I most certainly said nothing remotely close to "other countries don't use pinyin". Re-read the comment.

                    My point is that thousands of textbooks use the Taoism spelling, and changing the spelling of that word, and others like it, isn't the best best idea, IMO.

                    Dick Cheney rhymes with "sick meanie." Pass it on.

                    by LaughingPlanet on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 08:03:41 AM PDT

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                    •  This is bizarre, but enough said (0+ / 0-)

                      It's odd to use what is widely recognized as correct romanization of Chinese and be corrected by someone who is obviously poorly informed about the language. While this began as a small comment, I'm frankly surprised at your tone and your continuance with this absurd discussion. I am aware that, perhaps, you didn't realize what you were doing when you corrected me, or how it would appear to others, but you actually corrected my usage, and you did write this:

                      I said usually. I'm well-versed in pinyin, but at times like this, people might find they are better understood to use the spelling most countries recognize.

                      I've been gently trying to tell you that you're really out of line to correct people for using pinyin, and you obviously aren't very experienced or have much exposure to these issues, and yet you're standing by your embarrassing error with a rather haughty tone, as if you presume, after all, to be justified in your correction.

                      But carry on, this is DKos after all.

                      •  Agreed; (0+ / 0-)

                        tones have been less than cordial.

                        You used a word that is often misspelled & mispronounced. You alternately capitalize and lower case it. My initial brief reply was intended to help, and was done so without a hint of "haut".

                        You have written longer & longer and more aggressive replies since. "Obviously poorly informed"? LOL. Compared to a Mandarin scholar? I guess 8 months living & teaching in China didn't help as much as I thought!

                        I'll avoid trying to help you in the future.

                        Dick Cheney rhymes with "sick meanie." Pass it on.

                        by LaughingPlanet on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 09:25:56 AM PDT

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                        •  What hubris. (0+ / 0-)

                          I have a doctoral in Chinese medicine, and have decades of exposure to the Chinese, Daoism, Chinese medicine, have studied Chinese, and often have to deal with translations. Believe me, I have no need of your help, especially when it's not correct. Yes, do avoid "helping" in the future.

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