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  •  Sort of depressing, realizing that in 1993 (13+ / 0-)

    people were more supportive of universal health care, and more were in favor of a total change to the system.

    The intervening 15 years of right wing media lies really has taken its toll on the credulous in this country.


    Extreme Republican Evangelical Elitism is destroying America

    by shpilk on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 10:23:16 AM PDT

    •  Well, that line of reasoning (2+ / 0-)
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      fits our notions, but if we are honest with ourselves we have to admit that there are plenty of other explanations.

      I don't buy that the drop in support for fundamental reform is due to "15 years" of "disgusting" "lies" by the "right wing media".  Except for those F** guys (who preach to a very converted choir), most media outlets have been very supportive of reform.

      The most important change since 1993 has been 15 years of intervening personal experience.

      I frankly don't have a theory of why support has dropped, as the results here stun me.  I just would not be content with the "media lies" explanation.  That's actually the easy, let-us-off-the-hook explanation.

      •  Well, yeah. (1+ / 0-)
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        The most important change since 1993 has been 15 years of intervening personal experience.

        And has the system become noticeably less broken for the average American over those 15 years? Back then, I seem to recall, you could still find people other than Republican members of Congress who could say with a straight face that we have the best health care system in the world and that it provides us with all the benefits and choice we could ever want. I haven't met too many people like that lately.

        I just assumed that the public's recognition of the need for fundamental change in the health care system was a given these days. This is very disappointing and I don't know what to think.

        Bill O'Reilly has blood on his hands.

        by phenry on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49:37 AM PDT

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      •  Change is difficult to achieve. (1+ / 0-)
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        The forces of the American political system are stacked against change.  The American people are very hesitant to change the relationship between citizens and their government, and universal health insurance most certainly does that.  The experiences of 1993 and 1994 -- and the level of transformation a universal health insurance bill entails -- still remain in many older American minds.

    •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

      Because universal health care has been considered, many adults who lived through the health care wars of 1993 and 1994 understand how transformational any universal health insurance bill is.  Any transformative bill requires the political principle of "no one can be made worse off" to be violated.  People now better understand the serious tradeoffs involved in universal health insurance than they did in 1992, which is why more are opposed now than in 1993.  Universal health insurance is a major change in the relationship between citizens and their government.

    •  well, the Democrats are keeping status quo (0+ / 0-)

      It's been part of the campaign: "If you're happy with your current insurance, you'll be able to keep it."   Repeated ad nauseam.

      Since no one's really arguing for an entire overhaul of the system, it's not surprising there are less people in favor of it.

      (I'm not disagreeing with the strategy, just pointing out a possible reason for the numbers difference.)

      "At the end of the day, the public plan wins the game." Sen. Ben Nelson

      by ferg on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 10:50:02 AM PDT

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