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  •  Yah, dream on. (0+ / 0-)

    You can totally wonk out on this and imagine if you move this comma over there and put this number here somehow magically the world will be a better place.

    But in the real world people are being given large sums of money to make sure that no real reform takes place (did you read the article on prominent congress folks who are heavily invested in the current system?).

    Perhaps you don't mind that rich and powerful people are subverting our democracy, and by extension, our need for a real, effective, health care system.  Can you imagine what this process would be like if corporations were NOT exerting undue influence on our jelly like congress people?  Single payer would be a central part of this dialogue, not rejected out of hand.

    Also I'm not desperately doing anything.  I'm just frustrated with trying to work with a system that prioritizes the wealthy and powerful over everyone else.  We can't afford that anymore.

    There comes a time when you have to recognize that the system is broken and before anything can be accomplished it must be fixed.

    The ekpyrotic theory hypothesizes that the origin of the observable universe occurred when two parallel branes collided.

    by rubine on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 12:10:52 PM PDT

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    •  You can be defeatist all you want (0+ / 0-)

      And you can dream of some bizarro revolution which you, and the fringe left, dreams of. Or you can work within the system, and realize that yes there are people who take money that are our opponents, to make the system better and save lives because of it.

      I prefer the latter. I like to be effective.

      •  I'm not thinking of a "bizarro revolution"... (0+ / 0-)

        I think we need to address electoral and lobby reform before we take on big progressive issues.  I want us to win.

        Do you think that is bizarre?

        The ekpyrotic theory hypothesizes that the origin of the observable universe occurred when two parallel branes collided.

        by rubine on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 12:17:38 PM PDT

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        •  Ah, yes, I figured you were a Green (0+ / 0-)

          Our election system works fine, Bush v. Gore not withstanding.

          If you really wanted us to win, you'd realize that making such a huge deal out of terms--Medicare for All or Public Option--while ignoring the details is the way to lose. Not caring about the terms, or administration of a plan for that matter, while focusing on the details is the way to win. Winning is always in the details.

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