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  •  Not for me (8+ / 0-)

    In Canada (pop. 30M), we tend to have pretty final results within about three hours of polls closing - the election is over and everything is counted by around 1130pm EST most years.

    Results are counted at the individual polls within each polling station by the four Elections Canada staff assigned to each poll, with supervision by representatives from the parties contesting the election (and by anyone else who cares to watch). The CRO and the DRO of the station then add up the numbers, and phone it in to the CRO/DRO of the electoral district. They add it up, call it in to the regional CRO/DRO, etc.

    The whole process is remarkably decentralized, and works quite well. The big thing that makes it possible, at least for us, is that we only vote on one or two things at once. When there's a Federal election, you get one ballot with one election on it, with between three and ten candidates - that's it. No city council races, no judicial races, no dog catcher races; one (sometimes two, but rarely) election at a time, which makes counting paper ballots quite easy.

    I don't know how Iran is supposed to count their elections, but if you take how we run our elections and double the number of polls (to account for the roughly double population), I have no doubt that it's possible to legitimately count an election in three hours.

    That's not to say that this election wasn't stolen, just that I don't think the speed of the count is an indication of it.

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    by Scipio on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 06:58:21 PM PDT

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    •  canada is a bit (2+ / 0-)
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      capelza, Wisewood

      more advanced than iran.
      i doubt canada has all paper ballots - but i could be wrong.

      •  Well Canada (3+ / 0-)
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        Ray Radlein, capelza, Wisewood

        has less than half the people of Iran, at any rate.

        That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

        by Nulwee on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 07:41:13 PM PDT

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      •  Nope (4+ / 0-)
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        Ray Radlein, kyril, BYw, Wisewood

        Federal elections - which is what I'm referring to in how they're counted - are run by one centralized governmental arm's-length agency, Elections Canada. Standards are uniform across the country, and the mechanism is the same everywhere: you get a black ballot with some white circles, and you mark the circle you want to vote for.

        Some municipalities use various forms of electronic voting, but I've never heard of its use at a higher level than that - and certainly not at the Federal level.

        As for Iran having twice the population (which I mentioned above), that doesn't really change my assessment. Put twice as many polls within each polling station. The counting of individual ballots (as opposed to the tabulation of sub-counts) happens in parallel anyways, so if you scale up poll workers accordingly there's no reason you couldn't do it in roughly the same amount of time.

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        by Scipio on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 08:28:05 PM PDT

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        •  Canada's counted locally, Iran isn't. (0+ / 0-)

          That makes a substantial difference in counting time and accounts for Canada's ability to count faster -- and Iran's ability to fake results more easily.

          -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

          by neroden on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 07:37:52 AM PDT

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      •  Federally... (1+ / 0-)
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        kyril

        ... paper ballots is the only way to vote.

        Electronic voting is present in some municipalities and some provinces in Canada, but I've never seen one.  For the most part things are still done the old-fashioned way.

        ... Where is Baldwin?
        ... Où est Lafontaine?

        by Wisewood on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 08:29:16 PM PDT

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    •  thing is (1+ / 0-)
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      neroden

      in 2004 it took Iran 3 days to count the votes. dont know how they  sped up to one night.

      •  Now That's (0+ / 0-)

        A valid point for concern, and a big red flag.

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        by Scipio on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 09:43:36 AM PDT

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