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  •  EVERYONE here is missing the point!! (6+ / 0-)

    I wrote a while back that this would never be overturned. Because southern white conservative republicans are just as (if not more) dependent on the Voter Right bill as southern black polls are. There is not a single republican elected in a district with more than 40% blacks in the US House! Not one. After 2008 and Chabot defeat in Ohio, and Dem victories in NC and VA, I don't think there is a single republican representing a district with higher than 35% blacks (I will have to check on this).

    I bring this up because without racial gerrymandering I estimate that at least 12-16 MINIMUM southern republicans couldn't hold their seats. Take a look at the gerrymandering in GA around ATL, also at FL around Jacksonville and Miami, TX, and Alabama around Birmingham. If all the blacks were not crammed into a few district there would be a whole bunch of over 40% minority districts. Especially in light of several supreme court rulings against "odd" shape districts. Now many of these district might elect blue dogs, or moderate democrats but they wouldn't elect republicans.

    So believe me Roberts and Alito especially both having worked on redistricting claims are well aware of this fact. They like to shout platitudes on race issues but they won't undercut conservative republicans electorial. Yes a number of CBC members might lose their house seats, but for every 80%+ southern house seat you would "split" you would create three 40%+ black house seats! (the neighboring seats have some native black population).

    I have to run but I will post repost a diary on this I wrote a while back and update it.

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    by dopper0189 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 11:43:13 AM PDT

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    •  it's an important point (2+ / 0-)
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      Believe me, I've been having the debate about the wisdom of racial gerrymandering for about 15 years.

      •  Yeah I know same here (1+ / 0-)
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        the issue I have is institutional support for minority candidates running state wide. Many progressive don't get that when minorities see that none of the open senate seats from Obama election went to minorities it leads to Roland Burris. Many people would have have some representation even if it's corrupt to none. There are now fewer minorities in the Senate after Obama's election then before (Sen Ken Salazar and Obama are gone).  Two of the several senate replacements weren't "experienced" (look at Colorado) which is what the excuse has been for not nominating minorities.

        The idea well Obama is elected so why are you guys bitching, is like the GOP saying in the 1980's Magic Johnson is rich so wheres the discrimination in America? It's not when the exceptional guy can make it, but any unexceptional person can that you know barriers have been broken. So best way to break the deadlock that racial gerrymandering has caused is to show that yes we as progressive will support good candidates who happen to be minorities even in these new 40% minority districts. I'm not talking about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but the Corey Brewers, Duval Patricts, and Dan Seals.

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        by dopper0189 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 12:53:08 PM PDT

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    •  It is important (0+ / 0-)

      Do you have anything similar on the northern urban/rural splits?  I know that in upstate New York the cities are pretty reliably Democratic and the suburbs and rural areas tend to be Republican.

      The problem in both situations comes down to de facto segregation.

      This whole thing is a tough issue for a progressive to wrestle with.  Similar things have happened with affirmative action quotas.  I know of law and medical schools that have turned down women and minority applicants because they would have had to admit MORE than the allotted percentage.  

      How does a progressive deal with it when something that was once a positive good becomes "bad"?

      Not all who wander are lost. J. R. R. Tolkien

      by NCJan on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 12:38:31 PM PDT

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      •  I will have tt look but... (0+ / 0-)

        My data on it is a little dated. The North East has trended so strongly Dem in the last 3 cycles that it's hard to look at data from before 2002 and draw conclusions. Even upstate NY is going blueish-purple. But I will see what I ca add to it in my diary.

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        by dopper0189 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 12:43:54 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

          I know that upstate places like the suburbs around Rochester are going blueish-purple, but I think you've still got some pretty solid red down by Corning.

          Not all who wander are lost. J. R. R. Tolkien

          by NCJan on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:41:25 PM PDT

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