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  •  Unfortunately, even the govt. does it. (2+ / 0-)
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    dsteffen, Land of Enchantment

    The kids of Pasco, Washington got hefty doses of radioactive iodine from the nuclear plants and reprocessing facilities at the Hanford reservation.

    And I can tell you from personal experience that it's nearly impossible for one government agency to regulate another, bigger government agency.

    Yes, the race to the bottom must be stopped. It's one aspect of globalization that has been absolutely deadly.

    "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:01:05 PM PDT

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    •  I live downwind from Los Alamos (2+ / 0-)
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      dsteffen, FishOutofWater

      If I don't get hit by a bus (or lightning) first, I might well die from what I breathed while the place was burning back in May 2000.

      Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall always be amused.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:03:40 PM PDT

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      •  Did fires involve contamination? (2+ / 0-)
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        dsteffen, Land of Enchantment

        Believe it or not Los Alamos is clean compared to Hanford.

        "It's the planet, stupid."

        by FishOutofWater on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:44:55 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, they did. (3+ / 0-)
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          dsteffen, FishOutofWater, notrouble

          There were some tests that found Americium - which does not occur in nature - in people's home garden lettuce.

          They tried to pretend there was no contamination, by a bunch of BS that was like 3-card Monte.  I did a diary on it...  You weren't amongst the 26 people who Recced it, nor one of the six people who added comments, so you probably missed it:

          Spin

          Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall always be amused.

          by Land of Enchantment on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:53:19 PM PDT

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          •  Yes,I missed it. Interesting. (3+ / 0-)

            Americium is not good for the lungs. Plutonium has been found in incredibly small quantities in nature but you would have to be close to a supernova to find natural Americium.

            "It's the planet, stupid."

            by FishOutofWater on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 07:12:01 PM PDT

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            •  There was a lot of Strontium - 90, too (1+ / 0-)
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              Back in the early days, they were dumping everything from motor oil to plutonium into unlined pits.  Sr-90's a uranium decay product, and is similar enough to calcium that it gets taken up in the same biochemical pathways.  When the trees burn, there goes the Sr-90.

              And, really, much of what goes on at Los Alamos is classified.  Aside from the general understanding that they're in the business of making stuff that's as deadly as you could imagine.

              Probably not super smart to be living downwind of the place, eh?

              Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall always be amused.

              by Land of Enchantment on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 07:30:41 PM PDT

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              •  I have friends who work at Los Alamos (2+ / 0-)
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                dsteffen, Land of Enchantment

                Most of the dumping goes back to the early days. Los Alamos was the lab for theorists and ultra precise measurements. There is some contamination by actinides and low level waste, but there aren't tankfuls of reprocessing wastes for plutonium extraction like there are at Hanford.

                I had a pretty good idea of what went on at the lab before Bush. I've been there a number of times on business.

                Sr-90 is a fission product. The yield from U-235 fission is 5.8%

                The geochemists who do precise isotopic measurements hate contamination. They have ultraclean facilities with very expensive equipment. They would have been upset by the fires.

                However, I don't think you should worry about the effect on you. You will be fine. It's the kids who are sensitive. And that's what really stinks about the carelessness with radioactive materials.

                The kids get hurt the most.

                "It's the planet, stupid."

                by FishOutofWater on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 08:48:21 PM PDT

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                •  I do not feel comforted or reassured. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I breathed a lot of smoke while the fire was concentrated at the lab proper.  The dumping from the early days is exactly what was taken up in the trees.

                  Not that worrying will make a lick of difference.  So you're right in that limited sense.

                  Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall always be amused.

                  by Land of Enchantment on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:08:47 PM PDT

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