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  •  Every country is pretty much like that (5+ / 0-)

    What the govt says and what the people want are rarely the same thing.

    We should realize that - since when has OUR govt done what WE wanted?

    •  Sorry to butt in here, (3+ / 0-)
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      but Haaretz is reporting that Saudi Arabia has just given Israel permission to fly through their air space.

      Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British newspaper The Sunday Times.

      The report also quoted John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, as saying that it would be "entirely logical" for Israeli warplanes to fly over Saudi Arabia en route to bombing nuclear targets in Iran.

      A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

      by Flyswatterbanjo on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:00:10 AM PDT

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      •  Israel denies this... (0+ / 0-)

        ...and the article then turns to John Bolton to suggest that the Saudis really wouldn't mind facilitating and Israeli attack.

        That's not much to go on, is it?

        •  What? The report or the denials? (0+ / 0-)

          Who knows what is up, but I can tell you that KSA would be happy if Israel were to hit Iran.  And then to "strenuously" object to their using KSA airspace, or simply deny that they ever did.  

      •  Given that Jordan and Syria would not be giving (0+ / 0-)

        them permission, they would need the Saudi's permission. The Saudi's have long been uncomfortable with the Shi'ite block in the north. But, they would not be giving permission for this move without the US encouragement and support; I am uncertain that Obama would want to support an attack on Iran now, as Bolton holds no power or credence with the current administration.

        It makes sense for the Israeli government as they have been advocating this for some time and the current political divisions would be seen as good timing. But if they need Saudi cooperation, that would need US support, I have seen no indication that Obama wants to move in this direction. Am I wrong?

        No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

        by NY brit expat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:24:05 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, I would think Obama does not want (1+ / 0-)
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          to move in this direction and that Netanyahu does.

          A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

          by Flyswatterbanjo on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:35:50 AM PDT

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          •  Successive Israeli governments (1+ / 0-)
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            from Ehud Barak until now, have been wanted to do this. In terms of US support for this action, they could have easily counted on Bush, Obama far less so. Again, they (the Israeli government) are also using this to distract people from ongoing investigations wrt their attack on Gaza and their refusal to stop the settlements on the West Bank. Like most neocons, Bolton is an extreme supporter of the Israeli government, often conflating the interests of Israel with that of the US.

            No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

            by NY brit expat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:42:18 AM PDT

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      •  Saudi Arabia, bulwark of grassroots democracy! (0+ / 0-)

        If they're for it, well, I guess that makes it that much more OK, huh? Not!

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

        by lotlizard on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:08:52 AM PDT

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    •  You have to remember what Hermann Göring sa (0+ / 0-)

       
       

      Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.  
         

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