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  •  That's NOT what the IAEA says. (0+ / 0-)

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:50:22 AM PDT

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      Although the Agency has not seen any diversion of nuclear material to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices, the Agency is not at this point in time in a position to conclude that there are no undeclared nuclear materials or activities in Iran.......

      It is regrettable, and a matter of concern, that the above uncertainties related to the scope and nature of Iran’s nuclear programme have not been clarified after three years of intensive Agency verification. In order to clarify these uncertainties, Iran’s full transparency is still essential. Without full transparency that extends beyond the formal legal requirements of the Safeguards Agreement and  Additional Protocol — transparency that could only be achieved through Iran’s active cooperation —  the Agency’s ability to reconstruct the history of Iran’s past programme and to verify the correctness and completeness of the statements made by Iran, particularly with regard to its centrifuge enrichment programme, will be limited, and questions about the past and current direction of Iran’s nuclear programme will continue to be raised.

      Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

      by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:55:36 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, it is what the IAEA says (0+ / 0-)

      "The incoming head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Friday he did not see any hard evidence Iran was trying to gain the ability to develop nuclear arms."

      That's from two days ago. Here's the report: http://www.reuters.com/...

      And you should read the report you cited. It admits that the IAEA has seen no evidence of any diversion of nuclear materials.

      I'd credit you with a nice try, but it's apparent you didn't even read the IAEA report you cited.

      •  Wrong. Read the June IAEA report (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.iaea.org/...

        1. Contrary to the request of the Board of Governors and the requirements of the Security Council, Iran has neither implemented the Additional Protocol nor cooperated with the Agency in connection with the remaining issues which give rise to concerns and which need to be clarified to exclude the possibility of military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme. Unless Iran implements the Additional Protocol and clarifies the outstanding issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.

        Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

        by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:01:20 AM PDT

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        •  June 2009. (0+ / 0-)

          Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

          by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:01:51 AM PDT

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          •  The IAEA's head was very clear, wasn't he? (0+ / 0-)

            "The incoming head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Friday he did not see any hard evidence Iran was trying to gain the ability to develop nuclear arms."

            Are you claiming that the IAEA head did not, as of two days ago, understand the IAEA's stance on the issue of whether there is any evidence of an Iranian weapons program?

            Do you enjoy ridicule, or are you merely content to suffer it?

            •  No need to be derisive Thomas. (0+ / 0-)

              You are willing to trust a terrorist regime that has threatened to destroy Israel and which sponsors terrorism in Iraq.  

              I, on the other hand, am not willing to trust them, especially when the IAEA (not exactly a hard assed bunch of Iran haters) has said that Iran is not cooperating in their investigations and that, sans such cooperation, that are not in a position to verify that Iran does not possess the capability to make and use nuclear weapons.  

              I have close friends that live in Israel.  It must be easy to be so trusting from where you live.  I I'll bet that's not Israel.    

              Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

              by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:19:46 AM PDT

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              •  I am not willing to trust Iran... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...and that's why I support continued inspections by IAEA inspectors. It is YOU who are apparently willing to attack Iran even though inspectors are telling us precisely the same thing they told us in Iraq: there was no evidence of WMD, but they needed more time to prove that such programs DIDN'T exist.

                You are espousing a Bush-style pre-emptive attack in the absence of any compelling evidence. To do so here at DKos is trollish, to say the least.

                •  I never espoused an attack. (0+ / 0-)

                  I have simply asked others to articulate an effective alternative to military intervention that is something more than "wait and pray that it doesn't happen".  

                  [crickets]

                  PS:  And that's

                  not

                  what the IAEA is saying.   They are saying that they don't know, one way or the other, and appear to be suspicious of Iran's stonewalling.  

                  I am, too.

                  Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

                  by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 11:19:21 AM PDT

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              •  Yes, there is. (0+ / 0-)

                That's exactly what your efforts to drag the discussion into tinfoil hat looniness calls for.

                Iran has not "threatened to destroy Israel",  and your characterization of the IAEA's position is also complete and utter bullshit. Those who have actually read their reports,  instead of merely cutting-and-pasting quotes from someone else's talking points memo,  know what the IAEA's "concerns" really are.

                This is a "reality-based community".  If you're looking for a "paranoid war-mongering community",  try redstate.com.

                •  I read the Iranian Student News Agency (0+ / 0-)

                  translation of the speech.  You can read it for yourself.   He was pretty clear that a "cleansing fire" would do the trick.  

                  What I cut and pasted was directly from the IAEA reports, which are available on their website.   You really need to read first, then post.  

                  Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

                  by SpamNunn on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 01:31:34 PM PDT

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        •  That's not evidence of a weapons program (1+ / 0-)
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          It's the present inability to prove that it doesn't exist.

          That was the same position we were in with regard to Iraq, and we attacked anyway. That didn't work out so well, did it?

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