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  •  My point. Which is that any frigging thing could (6+ / 0-)

    be justified or labeled as such.  Like 9/11 wasn't highly suspicious.

    "Peace cannot be achieved by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 12:58:30 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, and there have been diaries here (4+ / 0-)

      that pointed out factual issues-- heck, the 9-11 commission hearings and report is full of revelations that the mainstream media hushed up, like Condi and Bush ignoring the Bin Laden attack warnings. There's still people here, but not necessarily management, that have a cow if someone brings up stuff straight out of the commission report. On the other extreme, some of the 9-11 truthers are as ridiculous as Alex Jones. There's a dif between factual data and wild accusations using questionable sources, that's what Kos usually demands outside of the 9-11 issue; and also there's info on 9-11 that one could explore at other legit cites that Kos won't allow here. There was CT controversy here also over the 2004 election tricks, what I noticed was that most of the legit diaries about it were very much allowed, most of those banned or panned were making unbackable claims. There were a few notable exceptions IMO, but that's the way it is here. Problem is, some folks sometimes can't tell the difference between the fact based stuff and the wild CT stuff.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 01:09:52 AM PDT

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      •  but they didn't. MSM didn't "hush up" the (0+ / 0-)

        Condi-Bush failure

        "In England, any man who wears a wig and a sword is ashamed to be illiterate. I believe it is not so in France." Samuel Johnson, per Boswell

        by Mark B on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:19:53 AM PDT

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        •  Oh yes they have. Sure initially it was reported, (3+ / 0-)
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          sometimes extensively by the NYT and WaPo. But the TV networks downplayed it, and later as the hearings and report faded from view, the Bush-Rethug narrative was enforced. You never hear anymore that Condi ignored Richard Clarke, do you, or that the Bush crew focused on Iraq while the military intelligence, NSA, CIA and FBI were warning them about Bin Laden-- that's all been hushed up.

          Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

          by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 12:38:00 PM PDT

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    •  I was just thinking a similar thought... (2+ / 0-)
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      The definition of CT on the blogs is based upon the source.

      An official source, government agent/corporate lackey, is not CT.

      An unofficial source, blogger/non-corporate journo is CT.

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      by k9disc on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 04:30:21 AM PDT

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      •  Perhaps, but really the measure here is can (1+ / 0-)
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        it meet journalistic standards-- corroboration of sources and witnesses, evidence. And when you have evidence, don't jump to a conclusion you can't prove.

        This diary gives you the evidence without jumping to unproven conclusions. This diary doesn't say the govt. murdered these scientists, it just goes through the facts to show the official govt. story about the deaths looks untrue.

        Why can't people get the difference?

        Look, we're all free to conclude the government killed the scientists but we have no proof.

        CT is unproven claims. Journalism is sticking to the facts. Think of it as what you'd present in a court of law-- you would not lead the witness nor the jury to a conclusion that'll get the judge to overrule you and instruct the jury to ignore that evidence. You'd just present the case and let the judge and jury come to their own conclusions.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 12:41:58 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, I agree with the part about the diary, (1+ / 0-)
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          but journalistic standards?

          Is that a joke?

          Journalistic standards is nothing more than appeal to authority and garbage in garbage out logical fallacy.

          You should view it with the same kind of skepticism you view a defense attorney defending a defendant. That's not truth, it's hypothetical and self serving shading of the truth.

          Personally, I think that the AP, corporate sponsored government and corporate media are a conspiracy and simple propaganda but that's just me.

          I mean the definition of Party politics is conspiracy, is it not? And come on, what is messaging?

          Any time there's an industry group meeting, that's a conspiracy.

          They put out the info they want out to serve their purposes.

          Propaganda is made up of many 'facts'.

          The greatest difference between those wearing a tinfoil hat and those informing us in corporate media is the size of their bank accounts.

          The information is largely garbage.

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          by k9disc on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 02:37:49 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, but it's garbage because their journalistic (0+ / 0-)

            standards are poor.

            It used to be you could rely on some mainstream media outlets long ago for being factual, even with a corporate agenda.

            Sure, industry is full of conspiracies to misinform or propagandize. But to discern information, we have to hold it to journalistic standards, and that includes here at daily kos.

            Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

            by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 02:59:35 PM PDT

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