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  •  Yup, Big Thank You Winerev (34+ / 0-)

    Senator Leahy gave Senator Franken a pen, holding it up first to say a few words about it.

    That was the pen that Franken used to "sign-in" as senator, Leahy picked it up at returned to Franken as a memento, thoughful of him

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by IamTheJudge on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:17:59 AM PDT

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    •  How Fitting (14+ / 0-)

      For me, and I suspect for Leahy to, it's been some dark times this last decade, full of disappointments. Obviously at the Bush level but also below, with Wellstone's seat and Gordon Smith and Saxby Chambliss and Zell Miller and Holy Joe, et cetera.

      We've finally hit a nice patch, politically speaking! Too bad the economy had to rip apart in order for the Dems to make headway!

      That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

      by Nulwee on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:28:00 AM PDT

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      •  Real National Problems vs made up ones (4+ / 0-)
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        the War on Terra was a made up trouble to keep the eyes of the citizens away from the debacle that GWB and Cheney were leading the country to, before anyone ask, 9/11 was 1st and foremost a gigantic national security fuck up, the Taliban and Bin Laden never were an existential threat to the USA, like Nazi Germany.

        We've finally hit a nice patch, politically speaking! Too bad the economy had to rip apart in order for the Dems to make headway!

        IMHO the USA is going into a Civil War/Civil Rights like split in their citizens allegiance, the 28percenters  wingnuts are, with the help of Fix News, the GOP and talk Radio,  jumping the shark of reality at an accelerated pace, Bachman,Beck and Palin popularity is a barometer of that

        "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by IamTheJudge on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:39:16 AM PDT

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        •  Nazi Germany (0+ / 0-)

          was not an existential threat to the United States... and if it was I'd like proof he was going to send his storm troopers to D.C. and New York.

          That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

          by Nulwee on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:41:10 AM PDT

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          •  For three seconds... imagine Adi with a nuke. (6+ / 0-)

            Angry White Males + DSM IV Personality Disorder delusionals + sane Pro-Lifers =EQ= The Base

            by vets74 on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 06:16:58 AM PDT

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          •  They sent U boats, and attacked merchant ships (6+ / 0-)
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            off the east coast.

            -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

            by pat bunny on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 06:41:24 AM PDT

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            •  How Is That An Existential Threat? (0+ / 0-)

              the Barbary pirates attacked merchant ships for years, and looted the U.S. of treasure.

              That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

              by Nulwee on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:12:45 PM PDT

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          •  Ironically, if it weren't for the Soviet Union... (7+ / 0-)

            tying up Hitler in eastern Europe, and the phenomenal sacrifice of millions of Russian lives, Hitler would have had the means to attack and severly damage America.

            The economics of health care is easy. It's only the politics that are hard.
            -- Paul Krugman, Princeton NJ, 6/18/2009

            by Jimdotz on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 06:55:02 AM PDT

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          •  you're joking, right? (4+ / 0-)
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            n/t

            •  I doubt it (2+ / 0-)
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              There are some people astoundingly uneducated about what Hitler believed and/or was capable of. Nevermind the French, the Poles, the Czechs, and the British. I suppose that we just should have ignored all of that because it didn't threaten America!

              ~Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction.~John F. Kennedy

              by vcmvo2 on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 08:58:08 AM PDT

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              •  like isn't 20th cent history required in school? (1+ / 0-)
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                ???? maybe poster thinks Hitler's idea was only to get to DC via the West Coast, i.e. across N. Russia, Vladivostok, Bering Straits, etc??????

              •  add to previous: I mean go via Russia (1+ / 0-)
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                b/c they were going to stop in Britain????

                •  He absolutely wouldn't have stopped (2+ / 0-)
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                  He thought he could invade Britain & it almost worked!

                  But of course we should have stood by and let our Allies be annihilated. My Father was involved in the invasion of North Africa and Italy early on & he said it was pretty grim the stranglehold that the Nazis already had on that part of the world. At that time they seemed pretty invincible. If Hitler had let Rommel have what he wanted it just might have happened!

                  ~Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction.~John F. Kennedy

                  by vcmvo2 on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 12:14:21 PM PDT

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          •  Imagine the Nazis hold their territory as shown (5+ / 0-)

            here:
            US Army Map

            That is, Russia and the UK make peace, because the US never entered the war.

            How long before Germany has exterminated every 'undesirable' in Europe?

            OK, so maybe that's not an existential threat to the US. But Hitler now rules about 400 million people versus the US population of 150 million, and has an economy based on war, and a population filled with martial ardor. How long will he wait before looking for new prey?

            How long before the UK simply surrenders? Answer: the duration of Churchill's Prime Minister term, plus about a month for the negotiations.

            Now Hitler has the best or 2nd best (UK versus US) navy in the world at his disposal, plus the remnants of the French fleet, plus the German and Italian navies.

            The US invaded Casablanca across the Atlantic because we had our navy and the British navy, and could brush aside the U-boats. Do you suppose the Germans could have managed that in reverse given naval superiority? It's a long coastline. They'd want a good harbor. Savannah? Hampton Roads? Boston?

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            by blue aardvark on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 07:12:28 AM PDT

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            •  I'd like to know (1+ / 0-)
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              what the OP means by "existential threat". I mean how far did Hitler have to go to be a threat to America. Personally I think making distinctions in varieties of threat where Hitler and the Third Reich are concerned is just BS. Russia fought him to a standstill but only after Hitler violated the treaty he had with Stalin. And they almost lost.

              It boggles the mind what Hitler accomplished. Everything he stood for was a threat to America. He was not just a bogeyman like Saddam Hussein. He was the real thing.

              ~Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction.~John F. Kennedy

              by vcmvo2 on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 12:20:43 PM PDT

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              •  OK, try this (1+ / 0-)
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                He doesn't invade the US. He just consolidates his hold on Europe and then, with the aid of Italian and Japanese allies, starts subjugating the Near East, the Sahel, and so on.

                We'd generate our electricity via coal, for starters.

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                by blue aardvark on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 12:49:38 PM PDT

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            •  "OK, so maybe that's not an existential threat (0+ / 0-)

              to the US".

              So you admit I'm right, and then you try to berate me regardless. Way to go.

              I question a ludicrous claim and I'm the bad guy. Gotta love the reality-based community.

              That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

              by Nulwee on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:14:33 PM PDT

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          •  Proof Hitler was thinking about New York (1+ / 0-)
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            The Germans ask Rick Blaine his thoughts about a possible NY invasion in an early scene from Casablanca. That's good enough for me.

            As I recall, Blaine's response was along the lines of "I don't know, there are certain neighborhoods in New York I wouldn't want to invade..."

            "Joe The Cop Killer" for Republican Presidential Nominee. A REAL Conservative, fighting for the American Dream!

            by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24:15 AM PDT

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          •  You do know they declared war on us first, right? (2+ / 0-)
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            "Joe The Cop Killer" for Republican Presidential Nominee. A REAL Conservative, fighting for the American Dream!

            by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 09:26:08 AM PDT

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            •  a mere triviality (0+ / 0-)

              because Hitler wasn't an "existential threat" to us, what ever the heck that means. It's bad history but I hear this from time to time. And it was only 60 years ago. Historical revisionism gets even worse about the Civil War.

              ~Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction.~John F. Kennedy

              by vcmvo2 on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 12:24:09 PM PDT

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              •  Wow, what a douche? (0+ / 0-)

                All I did was question the OP's bad sense of history and now I'm a Nazi defender? F.U.

                That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

                by Nulwee on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 05:09:38 PM PDT

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                •  I didn't say you're a nazi defender (0+ / 0-)

                  I did say that using varying levels of threat as some sort of indicator of Nazi intent was mistaken. Your history on that is wrong. Germany attacked U Boats off the coast of NY. And they were the first to declare war on us, after we declared war on Japan for Pearl Harbor.

                  existential or otherwise they were a real threat. And they were obliterating Europe, Africa and invading Russia.

                  And that makes me a douche?

                  ~Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction.~John F. Kennedy

                  by vcmvo2 on Thu Jul 09, 2009 at 06:54:44 AM PDT

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    •  Yup... (0+ / 0-)

      Big thanks, WR.

      "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

      by mayan on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 09:53:19 AM PDT

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