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  •  Yup, the elites in the financial sector have (6+ / 0-)

    skimmed off the cream for their playtime and left most of us with crumbs to survive on. Really makes you want to break out the torches and pitchforks, especially when you look at how systematically it's been done. ::grrrr:::

    Even with the changes in resources and circumstances in the past 30 years or so, there's no excuse for how heavily the odds have been stacked against ordinary people being able to just live our lives in reasonable security.

    Good morning, Winter!  Extra :::Huuugggsssss:::

    Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

    by FarWestGirl on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:05:00 AM PDT

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    •  "In reasonable security," indeed. (6+ / 0-)

      I don't think most of us think we 'deserve' lives of idle luxury.  At some level, I think most of us are okay with the idea that we weren't born into the wealth-earner class, so we'll have to work for a living rather than by investing inherited wealth.  It's not even so much that we resent they can live by investing their inherited wealth, as that investment does contribute to society.

      The problem arises when we sense that no matter how diligently we self-invest - get an education, work to get jobs that maximize our potential, produce more than we consume, live frugally and save for the future - we're going to get wiped out the first time we lose a job or get injured or ill ...

      ... and be no better off (at that point) than if we'd taken it easy and enjoyed life as it came.

      When you feel as if the only thing you gain by 'climbing' is a longer fall, all so the wealth-earners can have a second yacht with a helipad, it's difficult to motivate yourself to 'climb.'

      Good morning! ::hugggggggggs::

      •  Absolutely! Fatalism takes over and we end up (3+ / 0-)
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        saying, WTF, it doesn't matter anyway. Or we finally pick up the pitchforks and have a little barbeque. :::sigh:::

        :::huuugggsss:::

        Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

        by FarWestGirl on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:34:03 AM PDT

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        •  I think that's driving health care. (5+ / 0-)

          Most of us realize the biggest single risk we face is ordinary health issues.  You have to get very lucky to not get some serious injury or illness in middle adulthood.  We know our health care system is hopelessly broken and none but the very wealthy (or those fortunate enough to work for companies with very good health care) are ever more than one serious injury or illness away from financial ruin.  We have to fix that, or people won't self-invest.

          •  I agree, and that's why it may actually not run (5+ / 0-)

            out of steam before it gets done. If the current situation continues an awful lot of people may conclude that the only way out is to out-Galt Galt and take ourselves totally out of the contributing, (and breathing) class. I think the estimate I heard recently of 20K people dying every year from not being able to get treatment is very low. And I haven't heard anything at all about estimates of how many people commit suicide because they know they can't afford care, but I would bet it's a significant number.

            Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

            by FarWestGirl on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:51:29 AM PDT

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