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  •  I never understood the hate crime thing. (1+ / 0-)
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    If someone attacks my daughter, it is a different crime if she was born female rather than transgendered? If they yelled "bitch" instead of "faggot?" I know that this is an unpopular point of view in the liberal world, but try as I might, I do not understand the difference.  The act is the same. The damage is the same. The intent was the same. Maybe the ideology was different.
    Another point I don't understand is "Canada is not altogether safe either.  A "women born women" pharmacy is opening in Vancouver.  Transgender women, you know, are not really women, so being part of The Vancouver Women's Health Collective should not be allowed." This is not a safety issue exactly, or is it? I am sure there are physicians who solely work with transgenders. It seems dangerous to go to a doctor or pharmacist who does not have expertise with your health issues. Why would it be in a transgendered persons interest, for ideological purposes, to risk themselves? Really, they are not women, not physiologically or biologically, are on specific drug regimens, have different psychological and social issues. So why would they want to go to a clinic that did not have expertise in these areas? Please - really - I would like to understand.

    "America - The land where no one is allowed to mind his own business." William S Burroughs

    by shmuelman on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 06:25:58 PM PDT

    •  We already prosecute crimes differently... (8+ / 0-)

      ...based on intent.  The damage done to the transwoman is beat half to death while being called a faggot is not just to the woman beaten, but to all other transwomen who hear about it.

      We protect people from hate crimes based on race and religion.  Is gender-variance a line with you?  Beyond the pale?

      Pharmacists dispense medication.  The pills I take are exactly the same pills as my cis-gendered partner takes for menopause.  So why should I be treated differently, 17 years after transition?

      Really, they are not women,

       There you are crossing the line.  Transwomen are women.  What we are not is born female.  And the rest of the crap after that is just tremendously offensive.

      •  As a civil libertarian, I believe that (1+ / 0-)
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        every person deserves equal protection and rights, whether I like or respect them or not. I reserve the right to like or dislike any and all groups of people, yet would expect them to be granted all the rights I enjoy. That is the only way to have a civil society.
        That being said, it is absurd to tell me there are not significant physical differences between men, women and transgendered people of any type. There are also similarities between the groups, but that does not mean it would benefit me (a male I am sure you can guess) to be treated ay an Ob/Gyn. This is true between straight and gay men. If I was gay, I wouldn't go to my GP/Internal Med doctor in a million years - he's just not up to it, and I don't think he should be expected to treat people he does not understand. He will do you no good, just like he would refer you to a neurologist if that was your problem. BTW, I do not extend this to waiters in restaurants, the DMV, the marriage bureau, the police, etc. However, as an ex-cab driver, I noticed that TV/TG's not only usually hung out in gay bars, they hung out in specific gay bars and not in others. Should I be offended by that?

        "America - The land where no one is allowed to mind his own business." William S Burroughs

        by shmuelman on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 06:51:52 PM PDT

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        •  please (2+ / 0-)
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          keep reading rserven's diary's

          and be happy you don't have a loved one in this situation, you seem easily offended

          Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known---Carl Sagan

          by LibChicAZ on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:02:59 PM PDT

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        •  As a human being... (5+ / 0-)
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          ...I reserve the right to tell you when you are offending me.  I reserve the right to tell you when you are expressing ignorance about people like me.

          I have a vagina.  I have gone to an Ob/Gyn.  Are you saying I should not have?

          Are you saying that the endocrinologist who refused to treat me when I was recovering from having my thyroid irradiated because of the simple fact that I was born male was correct to do so?

          Do you know anything about transwomen anatomy or are all your opinions nothing but supposition?

          Is it your opinion that transwomen are gay men?  Then how would you explain the existence of lesbian transwomen like me?

          I could go on and on, but the crx of the matter is this question:  why did you come in here with an effort to attack rather than an attempt to learn?

    •  Burning Crosses (4+ / 0-)

      Lynch mobs.  Do you think there isn't anything different about the crimes they committed as compared to your average psychopaths?  Matthew Sheppard might be alive today if he hadn't come across a couple of homophobes.

      I expect random violence, or violence from someone who hates me for what I may or may not have done to them personally.  I don't have to fear someone hates me and wants to cause me harm simply for "who" or "what" I am.

      I can't wrap my parent's otherwise open heads around this either.

      Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known---Carl Sagan

      by LibChicAZ on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:16:38 PM PDT

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