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  •  When a main party collapses... (0+ / 0-)

    We have not seen this in the USA for a long, long time. The Republicans deserve to collapse, but we can only guess how it will unfold and, more importantly, which party/parties will "pick up the pieces". Then again, simple inertia and lack of alternatives could keep a badly weakened Republican Party limping along.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:39:54 AM PDT

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    •  Collapse is well underway in parts of the US (2+ / 0-)
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      Odysseus, MKSinSA

      I looked at what happened to the Whigs.  It's fairly interesting:

       


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
      YearCongressDemsWhigsGOPOtherVacant
      184931113108

           
      121
      18513212785

           
      21

           
      18533315771

           
      6

           
      18553484100

           
      51

           
      18573513209015

           
      18593683011639

           
      1861374401083161

      What's the take-away here?  Mainly, that it took some time for the Whigs to go, but once they did, things got unstable for a while.  The most interesting part of this is what started to happen when they were in decline.  In the election of 1846, the Whigs had their last true majority.  After that, they went into a gradual decline, until the whole system blew up in 1854, and an anti-immigrant movement threw the whole system into chaos.  A mostly Whig coalition held the majority in the following Congress.  The GOP was founded in 1854, and by the 1856 elections had completely supplanted the Whigs in Congress.

      We're potentially close to a similar tipping point, especially since the GOP is effectively already gone at the Congressional level in the Northeast.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:56:45 AM PDT

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      •  61 vacant seats ... (1+ / 0-)
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        jonimbluefaninWV

        That is a spectacular number considering the Dems of the time only had 44 seats. And to go from a 100-seat majority to 0 is a real implosion. Amazing numbers.

        I was aware they had tumbled just not how far.

        Taxation without justification is an obamanation! - Lamar Smith, alleged Texas (R) legislator (and, sadly, my Congresscritter)

        by MKSinSA on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:51:30 AM PDT

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        •  61 seats were in Confederate States (1+ / 0-)
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          jonimbluefaninWV

          That's the succession crisis you're looking at, with all but 3 seats in Virginia leaving Congress.

          The interesting thing isn't that the Democrats drop a lot; the interesting things is that the GOP actually fell a bit between the 1858 and the 1860 elections.

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:45:12 PM PDT

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      •  In US, some major parties failing in states (0+ / 0-)

        There are three major US states I can think of where one major party has begun to dominate the state to the extent of causing the other major party to be almost a minority.

        First is Utah, where Republicans hold a collosal advantage over Democrats.

        Second is Massachusetts, where the Republicans continue to decline in state and national elections.

        Third is increasingly Oklahoma, although here the situation is not so dire for the Democrats as Utah, but the Republicans are still growing power.

        If Massachusetts or Utah followed Pennsylvania's draconian ballot access laws, The Massachusetts Republican Party and Utah Democratic Party would have minor party status rather than major party status.

        Opinions alter, manners change, creeds rise and fall, but the moral laws are written on the table of eternity. -Lord Acton

        by Imperial on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 03:08:21 PM PDT

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