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  •  Fed up with *it* (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't have to translate to rudeness or personal attacks, does it?  I actually thought you were one of the trolls here to stir shit, so I played with it.

    How can there be any understanding when hostility gets in the middle?  And I feel sad that I'm so accustomed to and fed up with  the concern trolls that I now assume that they're everywhere.

    Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

    by I love OCD on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 05:00:41 PM PDT

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    •  I've been a registered member of this site (1+ / 0-)
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      for five and a half years. I've had TU status for longer than I can remember. I make thousands of comments here every year, and write at least a few diaries to boot. A little quick research should have given you all the proof you needed that I am not a concern troll here to stir up shit.

      And, having been here for those five and a half years, let me assure you that this is only about the 6.022 × 1023rd time that I've had this argument and am (understandably) snippy whenever someone brings up the same old tired BS that's been debunked here a thousand times before.

      •  You had the misfortune of (0+ / 0-)

        being in a thread, and closely identified in tone, with someone who is a shit stirrer.  Yes, you can be snippy if you like, just don't expect people like me to be converted to your POV or patient with your frustration when you attack.  Maybe I have a different way of looking at life than you do, and maybe I'm not entirely a shithead for seeing things my way?  Could be.  And I could learn from you if you'd cut back a little on the nastiness.  

        It's what I started out saying, I think.  If we can't talk to each other respectfully nothing will ever change.  Since I have personal experience with that kind of conversion experience - I've actually seen bigots change because they were exposed to something new in a non-threatening way - it would be stupid of me to ignore my own reality in favor of your claim that nothing ever changes people, and they're not worthy of the energy.

        You keep trying it your way, I'll keep trying mine.  And in all honesty, I don't really care how long you've been here, that doesn't require that I respect you or give credence to your arguments.  You were rude and nasty.  I thought you were a shit stirrer.  Maybe that should tell you something about how effective you can be.

        Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

        by I love OCD on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:52:44 PM PDT

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        •  Uh-huh (1+ / 0-)
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          If you want to be effective around this place, it behooves you to know who the players are. Or are you usually in the habit of diving in to new situations and flailing around blindly without knowing who's who, what's what, or what's going on? (If so, good luck to you and please keep as far away from me as possible; I rather like my corner of the world.)

          Respect is a two-way street, m'dear, and you've done nothing on this thread to demonstrate that you're in any way deserving of it. And I guarantee you that you're unlikely to garner any if you continue to mis-state and twist the arguments you're responding to so that they fit better with your own preconceived notions. (I'm specifically referring to your utter and complete mischaracterization of my point in the last sentence of your second paragraph, by the way.)

          I find it interesting that it is, almost without exception, the people who are trying to hold up progress who continually get their knickers in a twist about "comity" or "politeness." It's particularly amusing in the context of modern American politics, which, despite all the cutesy rhetoric, has been at least this rude and nasty for roughly the last 233 years. If you want to play in the political kitchen, you had best be able to withstand the heat.

          •  Actually I'm usually in the (0+ / 0-)

            habit of leaving and letting people blast away at each other.  I'm mad now, however, and sick of the trolls, and sick of the bullshit.   So I'll overreact from time to time, and reply to the wrong person from time to time, and be pissed when what I say is twisted or slammed or deliberately misunderstood.  Like you, I'm sick of hearing the same old shit about the same old shit.  So we'll have to agree that we don't have much respect for each other and move on.

            Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

            by I love OCD on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:30:50 AM PDT

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