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    dotalbon

    I'll support your request if you promise not to advocate for tracking of students.

    •  re: tracking (2+ / 0-)
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      dotalbon, miss SPED

      While it doesn't matter, to your overall point - by tracking to do you mean placing a student in an LD, general ed, or gifted track where they have to stay and have proscribed classes? I personally, don't believe in that. I believe in a individualized education.

      That said, this funding is for research on how to serve disadvantaged gifted students and, as far as I know, doesn't intersect with tracking.

      •  I'm all for improving gifted education... (1+ / 0-)
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        dotalbon

        But it must be done in a way that helps gifted students without having a negative impact on other students.  Rigid tracking is what most gifted programs turn in to as the easiest course to follow for administrators.  

        One of the biggest challenges I see is in the identification of gifted students as minority and low-income students are often overlooked.  I hope that the funding you referred to would help to meet this challenge.

        Live long and prosper...

        by thomasjefferson33 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:17:20 PM PDT

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        •  That's a legitimate concern (2+ / 0-)
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          dotalbon, miss SPED

          But still I worry that gifted students will get short shrift like I did as a kid.  The school I went to in my early grades didn't believe in tracking so I sat in class bored to tears in many classes and desperately unhappy at being humiliated and shamed for having poor penmanship and spelling while my other talents in reading, math and social studies were seen as a burden for the school.

          I wish we could do a better job of getting gifted children appropriate education, especially minority and low income children as they are far less likely to be getting extra enrichment at home. SIGH.

    •  Tracking is not a bad word (2+ / 0-)
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      miss SPED, tammanycall

      Most other countries attempt to track their students into appropriate academic programs.  

      The US has a system without official tracking into university, vocational... programs.  

      I believe that students deserve the education that is best suited to them at the time.  If a student is not prepared to learn at a certain level or pace, or if a student demonstrates a particular aptitude towards something other than academics, then those students should receive an education that will benefit them, not frustrate them.

      In Germany, there are 3 or 4 levels of secondary schooling.  The top is the Gymnasium.  It is a university tracked school.  Other schools track into vocational and technical programs.  The decision is made in around the 6th grade, but there is always the opportunity for a kid to continue out of the vocationally tracked programs and into the academic programs.  

      It's the best way to do things.  The vocational students will be done (depending on which program) around 10th grade.  They will be outearning the U tracked kids for years.  

      "I refute it thus."

      by otto on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:28:30 PM PDT

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      •  Bring on the tracking. (6+ / 0-)
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        otto, ybruti, MKSinSA, dotalbon, ScottO, tammanycall

        I am gifted, and I was blessed in being able to take college preparatory classes in high school.  My sons are both gifted, and they were able to take honors, pre-AP, and AP classes in 8-12th grade. They have had gifted classes since kindergarten.
        Minority students and learning-different students had/have specialized evaluations that enhance their entrance into gifted programs in our district.
        Gifted kids don't exist to be peer tutors to their less gifted colleagues.  They are as standard-deviation-divergent as special education students, and deserve individualized accelerated education. Mho.

        •  Me too... But it started in 1958-59 (2+ / 0-)
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          otto, miss SPED

          Prior to that school year, they gave a battery of IQ tests. They based selection of students using those test. In 1958 they formed an Academically Talented class of about 30 students. They kept us together through graduation from High School. All our courses were especially designed for us. I was able to sleep through my first two years of college. ;-)

          Looking back, I now think that the special attention was more important than the particular courses. It helps if the teachers think you are special.

          Oh Barry, they are turning Health Care into an Actuary's wet dream.

          by fredlonsdale on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:31:27 PM PDT

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          •  you are special (2+ / 0-)
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            otto, MKSinSA

            eom

            •  Another point (1+ / 0-)
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              miss SPED

              My AT class was the first and last in the school system. The program morphed into a system of Honor Classes and all that entails.

              Now it seems all the teachers want to get into Special Ed because of the higher pay.

              But thanks for your comment. My Mom always said I was special. ;-)

              Oh Barry, they are turning Health Care into an Actuary's wet dream.

              by fredlonsdale on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:55:19 PM PDT

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