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  •  It is time for Kerry to step up to the plate (4.00)
    Maybe he didn't know about all this when he conceded.  He does now.  Without "un-conceding", which he probably can't really do right now, he could hold a high-visibility press conference and get all this stuff out on the table.  So the Repubs will call him a "sore loser" - they will denigrate anybody who takes this on, we know that.  But the media will not be able to ignore it if he elevates the visibility of this.

    And if not him, then somebody needs to do it - Hillary, Obama, somebody with the star power to make a difference and the guts to take it on.

    Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

    by markusd on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 06:41:50 AM PST

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    •  Kerry can't do anything (4.00)
      As soon as he says, "Vot-" the media and the Republican smear machine will be drowning Kerry out with smear sunamis.

      This is the people's fight.  Thank God for Freepress.

      •  Bush and the Supremes squash any vote counting (none)
        It worked in 2000, so why would Bush and the five felons change this time?  Once they had the "unofficial" results show a Bush lead, the election was over.  Now Blackwell the traitor is delaying his initial "certification" so that there won't be time to do a recount- how convenient for the fascist Bush chimp.

        Rehnquist is being kept on life support to croak out "Bu..ssh" in case of any court challenge.  This is the end of our so-called democratic system of government, we will never have another real election in the USA until we rise up against the fascists.

        •  You forget that Rhenquist is out right now (none)
          No better time to fight than with an even (4-4) SCOTUS field.

          We sure won't get a chance like this again that's for sure.

          In the Third World, exit polls verify election results. In the US, quite the opposite happens.

          by Voting Dem on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 08:27:24 AM PST

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          •  Rehnquist is on standby for Bush (none)
            The official word from the Supremes is:  "Rehnquist is reviewing court cases from his home, and is still participating in court decisions"

            You can bet that the idiot Chimp knows that he needs all five of the felons to cover for him, they'll fake the Rehnquist vote even if he's frozen like Ted Williams!

            •  On a stretcher he'd vote (none)
              Didn't Rehnquist get his start by doing poll challenges in Arizona or something like that?  Can anyone help me on this.  If my memory is accurate, this is a guy with a long history of vote-suppression in support of GOP candidates.  If I may, it is rather like putting known for lynching on a Civil Rights panel, isn't it?

              I am sorry he is ill, I tremble at the thought of who Bush will pick to replace him, but I for one will not weep to see him leave the court.

              •  Right on (4.00)
                Good memory.

                Rehnquist did get his start in AZ mounting obnoxious, intimidating poll challenges of poor minority voters.  Knowing that, I knew we were fucking screwed in 2000 the minute I heard breathed the Supre. . .

                I especially loved how these guys + one gal suddenly discovered that equal "due process" rights should protect the rights of rich white voters in Repub counties where there was virtually no overcount or undercount.  Protect them from the unfairness of counting the under and over-count of THOUSANDS of minority voters.  The same justices who ignored the due process clause their entire careers when people wanted to use it in the name of fairness and social justice for minorities.  So perverse.  They take it off the shelf, dust it off to install their crony, then lock it back up forever. . .

                Cold, evil people.

            •  O'Connor will not support Bush this time (4.00)
              O'Connor reportedly wanted Bush to win in 2000 so she could retire, but was humiliated by her own participation in his selection. I think that she will try to repair her reputation next time around by doing the right thing. Maybe.
      •  I agree with you (none)
        "the people's fight" says it all.
        Everytime someone says that Kerry should be more involved I think - This is so much bigger than John Kerry.
    •  But That Takes Courage (none)
      and so far, the brave Swift Boat hero is not winning any medals with me.

      Time for Kerry to put his courage where his mouth was during the campaign.

      In the Third World, exit polls verify election results. In the US, quite the opposite happens.

      by Voting Dem on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 08:25:22 AM PST

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    •  You know what will happen if Kerry (none)
      takes up this cause under the Democratic banner? What's left of the Democratic leadership in GA's government will go to jail. I hardly think he'll take as strong an approach as anyone here wishes he would, because the Dems out there protecting this kind of crap will go down with the filthy voteshifting republicans.
      •  And well they should (4.00)
        This is not a Democratic or Republican issue. It is about the ability to have a fair election. What if you are a moderate Republican? You are also fucked because you no longer have a say in your party or a mechanism to change it.
        We need fair elections, no Repub advantage, no Dem advantage. I will argue to my grave: if Dems are just given a fair shot - no voter suppression, no spoiled ballots, they will fare much better in the end.
      •  And well they should (4.00)
        This is not a Democratic or Republican issue. It is about the ability to have a fair election. What if you are a moderate Republican? You are also fucked because you no longer have a say in your party or a mechanism to change it.
        We need fair elections, no Repub advantage, no Dem advantage. I will argue to my grave: if Dems are just given a fair shot - no voter suppression, no spoiled ballots, they will fare much better in the end.
    •  What did they know (none)
      and when did they know it.

      They of course being the RNC.  

      I still think we should let this whole process should just simmer. This means, of course, your excellent work in the diaries on this matter should continue, patiently.

      I assume that someone intentionally caused these irregularities to happen (whatever their nature - vote tampering, manipulation of voting machine distribution etc), the idea is to let all these lingering questions slowly burn, in the background, until they eventually surround one or more guilty parties.  When the fire gets too close, somebody will freak out and confess.

      •  I wish I could agree (none)
        But my memories of Dem acquiescense in 2000 remain, and I worry the plan is to not make waves--the DNC agenda, it seems--and let it slide while looking to 2006 & 2008.

        "The meek shall inherit the earth, except for a very thin layer at the surface." -Robert Grudin

        by segmentis on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 02:33:31 PM PST

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        •  I'm assuming (none)
          the official Dems aren't going to do anything.

          My remark was meant a cautionary note those that have invested effort in digging up irregularities to not become discouraged too quickly.  They should have our implicit support, even if the likelihood of a dramatic turnaround before the inauguration is almost 0. The possibility of a widespread scandal erupting later is the real prize.

            •  here's the A.P. story (none)
              recently posted to the SF Chronicle web site:

              http://tinyurl.com/4lvxe

              the headline doesn't mention Dems, but it's in the lead graph:

              Ohio third-party candidates file lawsuit seeking recount

              (11-22) 16:55 PST CINCINNATI (AP) --

              Two third-party presidential candidates filed a federal lawsuit Monday to force a recount of Ohio ballots, and a spokesman for the state Democratic Party said it intends to join the suit.

              ....

              The third-party candidates have said they are not interested in overturning President Bush's victory in the state. But they say they are concerned about reports of voting irregularities and believe a recount is necessary to ensure accuracy.

              Dan Trevas, spokesman for the Ohio Democratic Party, said the party would join the recount request after the secretary of state certified the results, or sooner if an early recount is ordered by a court.

              ....

            •  Recount more solid (none)
              The headline might be a little expansive since the national headquarters has not yet echoed it, but it's still pretty impressive as it is:

              "Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

              This is good news for a number of reasons, but particularly because, as has been pointed out on dKos at least several times, if it was only Cobb/Badnarik, they would have had the power to stop the recount.

          •  Erupting later scenario (none)
            Roadie's comment last week:

            How about this....
            A solid unassailable case that the election was stolen and that Bush himself knew is put before the public in mid-late 2005.

            There are fights in the media and congress and the administration is crippled by the charges.  The Dems attempt impeachment process but are rebuffed by the Reps at every turn.  The public turns against the Reps big time in the 2006 mid-terms; the Dems sweep and take over the majority in both houses.

            Then impeachment goes through.  Bush gone.  Dems in Majority.  Crippled lame duck Rep administration finishes out and a Dem is elected President in 2008.
            -- Roadie on Daily Kos

            It took awhile to get rid of Nixon.

    •  Time for leading bloggers to step up to the plate (none)
    •  take it to the media (none)
      This story is sufficiently subtantiated that major media and columnists ought to start taking this story more seriously. Why wait for Kerry? Lets start sending it to reporters and columnists.

      If major media outlets start to take this stuff more serously, they will contact Kerry.

    •  Repugs Demand "Prove My Vote Counts"... (none)
      ....ah yes, they are demanding it, and preventing it, and doing what all Republicans do, not stopping until they win....

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/22/175852/37

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