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  •  au contraire - we need more of this kind of talk (7+ / 0-)

    If these nuts want to embarrass themselves publicly, I say give 'em the biggest microphone we can find.  Let everybody know exactly how crazy, paranoid, and out of touch with reality the far right is.  See how many votes it gets 'em.

    •  Give 'em enough rope, in other words (3+ / 0-)
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      I can see that point of view, and I do think they're doing a lot of damage to themselves, but I just can't get away from feeling disturbed at pronouncements like this.

      Election went bad. Iran went to hell. Media went to bed. #twitter

      by dconrad on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 02:01:41 PM PDT

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      •  we've heard far more disturbing stuff... (2+ / 0-)
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        dconrad, Stranded Wind the past 8 years, and it was coming from the people in power.  Now it's coming from some kook who'll probably get creamed on election day.

        Do you honestly think that this could somehow lead to Virginia seceding?  A state Obama won by 6 points?  A state that contains the Pentagon and other key pieces of our national security apparatus?  This woman is no threat to anyone except for her own chances of getting elected.

        •  the problem is... (6+ / 0-)

          when a candidate for office uses violent rhetoric, they legitimize it.

          And that's what stirs up the "lone wolves" that have been going off this year and shooting people.  

          Strictly speaking, she was staying within the boundaries of protected speech.  The remedy for that kind of speech is more speech, and the way to do it (that's effective with "conservatives") is to identify her with "1960s rabble-rousers and other nuts."  

          But make no mistake, her kind of crap really does stir up the shooters and bombers.  

        •  No, of course I don't think it could (1+ / 0-)
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          lead to Virginia seceding. I do think it could lead to, or be a harbinger of, more nuts going off like the one who attacked those people in a Unitarian church. The more people express views like this, the more it validates and encourages others. And, as G2geek pointed out, coming from a candidate for office further legitimizes it.

          And, as I said, I do also see the other point, that by speaking out in such a crazy manner they are de-legitimizing themselves and demonstrating to all the sane people just how crazy they are.

          So in a way I should be happy to see them shoot themselves in the feet, but, as I said, I just can't shake the disturbing sensation. They give me the willies.

          Election went bad. Iran went to hell. Media went to bed. #twitter

          by dconrad on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 03:34:09 PM PDT

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    •  i'm not so sure of that. (4+ / 0-)
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      Eryk, brein, Stranded Wind, Mistlethrush

      Think of the Limbaugh effect, or contagious disease.  The more that occurs, the more it spreads.

      Crabill probably just got herself an FBI file (if she hasn't had one already:-) and at least an entry in a Secret Service log.  But these people spawn more nutjobs around them, and then comes the "signal to noise ratio" problem of trying to figure out which ones are merely hot air and which ones might do something violent.  

      What we need to do is call these people out when they are relatively few in number: make examples of them so no one will attempt to follow in their footsteps.  

      When they're running as candidates we need to support their oppponents even to the extent of joining the R party for a year and voting against 'em: hand them such a huge defeat that they won't even be considered viable candidates for dog catcher after that.

      When they get media attention we have to call & write to the editors to make clear that what these people are spewing is as unAmerican as if they were calling for communism.  

      And when we run across something like this in someone we know, we have to put it down with the kind of mild ridicule that's more effective than dignifying it with an arguement, e.g. "you don't believe that crap, do you?"

    •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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      These nutjobs are inciting someone less stable than they to do what they are too smart and cowardly to do themselves: to assassinate somebody. Serious consequences from letting freaks like this spout their hate speech in any medium.

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