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  •  Every OS gives you the tools to protect yourself (0+ / 0-)

    They all also give you tools to do great harm to your computer and its data.

    So, you don't like the Kindle. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't find it useful nor does it mean they aren't perfectly happy with them.

    I think they're kinda cool. If I was an avid recreational reader I'd probably have one. I'm not, so I don't.

    No one is forcing you to buy one.

    When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

    by Cali Techie on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:25:46 PM PDT

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    •  Windows doesn't give you the tools to protect (0+ / 0-)

      yourself and your data.  Proprietary OS control your computer too much, and give themselves and others (like the government) back doors into your computer, so they can do things like delete data they think you shouldn't have.  No one should be able to touch data on my device except me and other people I authorize to give that data or privileges to modify it to.  If the government wants my data, they can show me the warrant or subpoena, not go through a back door on my OS.

      "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

      by Futuristic Dreamer on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 10:28:36 PM PDT

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      •  Not true (0+ / 0-)

        Windows XP and Vista give you plenty of tools but you have to know how to use them and how to configure them.

        As far as government snooping, how do you know the same capabilities aren't included in Linux?

        BTW if the government could tap into your computer and look around, why is it when they're trying to catch people who are trafficking in kiddie porn on the Internet, they have to physically confiscate the computer and analyze the hard drive?

        I can tell you why, because that business about the government snooping on your computer is nothing but paranoid bullshit. Windoze phones home every now and then to check on it's licensing status and that's about it. The government doesn't have the capability or the desire to monitor everyone's computer system. Besides, it's too easy to set up a firewall to block it.

        What the government can do is look at your e-mail stored on commercial systems like your ISP, Yahoo, Google, Hotmail, etc. without your knowledge. The only way to protect yourself from that is to set up and manage your own mail server.

        When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

        by Cali Techie on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 12:29:19 AM PDT

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        •  If you can't trust yoru OS you can't trust (0+ / 0-)

          anything else on your computer, including your firewall. I have an easier time trusting programs where the code is open for everyone to inspect and improve.  I've never seen Windoze delete user's data at Microsoft's discretion even if Microsoft didn't think the data was licensed properly, but I wouldn't put it past Microsoft though.

          I'm not worried about email, you'd have to be an idiot to put anything sensitive in unencrypted email anyway.

          "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

          by Futuristic Dreamer on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 08:00:49 AM PDT

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    •  Any portable device that doesn't give me the (0+ / 0-)

      ability to properly protect data I have on it shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. That's why I prefer palm's to smart phones. Since I can't protect data on my cell phone, it shouldn't have any data on it at all.  Palms are great because all the data they access comes from a device I do control (my computer).

      "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

      by Futuristic Dreamer on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 10:33:53 PM PDT

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      •  That's your perogative (0+ / 0-)

        as I said, no one is forcing you to buy a Kindle or install Windows. Why do you have so much energy around this? Do you need your tin foil hat adjusted?

        When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

        by Cali Techie on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 12:31:03 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe it has something to do with a project (0+ / 0-)

          I'm working on, trying to find and implement a good method of protecting sensitive data.  Of course, nothing on a Kindle is sensitive, but the principle of the thing still bugs me. The business of more and more electronic devices connecting to the internet and phoning home creeps me out; there is no reason my toaster needs to connect to the internet.

          "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

          by Futuristic Dreamer on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 08:13:00 AM PDT

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          •  If you're going to be that paranoid (0+ / 0-)

            then I'll define a secure computer for you:

            A secure computer is one that is powered down, disconnected from the network encased in the center of a 10' X 10' X 10' concrete cube, and buried  at least 1000' under ground.

            Like I said, if you don't like the TOS on the Kindle, the EULA on any OS or proprietary hardware, the good news is there are no laws requiring you to purchase or use any of it.

            It's just a damn e-book reader with a web browser and the ability to purchase e-books online for crying out loud. It's not like you're keeping your SSN or employment records on it.

            When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

            by Cali Techie on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 12:24:41 PM PDT

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            •  Or one can keep data on a hardened Linux server (0+ / 0-)

              that's properly firewalled so it's only accessible physically or through a vpn with two-factor authentication.

              Of course how data is secured should be proportional to the sensitivity of the data.  Your right, since nothing on Kindle is sensitive, it's not much of an issue.  Even with data it's just convent for me to have (such as a book I'm reading) I don't want anyone else deleting it remotely.  If you don't mind Amazon deleting stuff off your Kindle, that's your business.

              "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

              by Futuristic Dreamer on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:09:31 PM PDT

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              •  A computer (1+ / 0-)
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                powered on and connected to a network is by definition not secure.

                Security boils down to a compromise because a totally secure machine is unusable. Your definition can be applied to any platform including Windows, Solaris, BSD, MacOS, HPUX, AIX, IRIX, etc. I've been in this business a long time and I specialize in host and network security. I've been doing it long enough to know host OS choice is mostly a religious argument. Any platform can be sufficiently hardened to make it exceedingly difficult to obtain any of the information it's hosting without authorization. I'm a Solaris, Linux, BSD, MacOS guy myself, and have been for quite a few years, so I'm not exactly a Microsoft fan.

                BTW, most firewalls including those included in open source distros can be defeated. Open source is particularly vulnerable because the code is available for review and inspection.

                Open source is not a panacea. The most secure networks contain elements using both open source and proprietary code.

                When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

                by Cali Techie on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:36:18 PM PDT

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