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  •  You're missing the point (0+ / 0-)

    A plan for a Constitutional Convention would need to be approved by the voters, or by 2/3 of the legislature.

    The new Constitution would need to be approved by the voters.

    The Citizen's Assembly may be the least bad way of choosing delegates to an open and democratic convention. The alternatives, appointment, or a low turn-out special election, both have inherent advantages and problems.

    Many of California's deep problems have been caused by direct democracy repeated over and over again in propositions, including 2/3 requirements for both the budget and any revenue increase, which prevent majority rule.

    Initatives to fix the problem might work, but they are limited to a single subject, and many of our structural problems are intertwined.

    There is a God, but he got an MBA. How else can you explain our world?

    by Aeolus on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:30:45 AM PDT

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    •  The point is (0+ / 0-)

      you want to impose your solutions by fiat. Or rather force a non-democratic system which you believe will pick your solutions by fiat.

      You want what every tyrant has wanted. You wish to use majority rule to remove the rights of those who disagree. The us court system has shot that attempt down in a thousand guises. You quite simply cannot vote to remove even a single citizens rights. It is the very basis of american democracy and law.

      •  Reading comprehension problems? (0+ / 0-)

        A plan for a Constitutional Convention would need to be approved by the voters, or by 2/3 of the legislature.

        The new Constitution would need to be approved by the voters.

        Nobody is proposing that any rights guaranteed by the United States or California Constitution be altered or taken away.

        There is a God, but he got an MBA. How else can you explain our world?

        by Aeolus on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:47:31 AM PDT

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        •  The right to vote and (0+ / 0-)

          to choose your leaders is.

          You cannot simply vote away peoples right to vote whether you like it or not. Your proposal seems to be to take random citizens, supposedly chosen by angels with pure intent, and have them legislate the states affairs. Thing is to do that you have to remove the peoples right to vote and choose their leaders. It is unconstitutional on its face. Even this SC would slap it down instantly.

          •  Too bad Repair California is wasting money (1+ / 0-)
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            As a coalition that includes Common Cause, the New America Foundation, the Bay Area Council, WCVI, and the Courage Campaign, among others, Repair California has been running ideas past the best constitutional lawyers in California.

            Instead of wasting all that money on advice from experts who actually know things, they could have just asked you to pull an opinion from your nether regions.

            There is a God, but he got an MBA. How else can you explain our world?

            by Aeolus on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 11:06:10 AM PDT

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            •  Apparently they havent (0+ / 0-)

              but you rely on your worship of authority.. cuz that always works out so well.

              Quite simply you cannot, by vote, remove the citizenry's right to vote. Cannot be done. States do indeed determine how their systems work. Within boundaries. The biggest single boundary is the citizens right to vote and the federal constitution supercedes state constitutions in those guarantees. A state can guarantee its citizenry more specified rights within the state. It cannot however remove any of those guaranteed by the federal constitution.

              You and your boys are trying to argue "states rights" and a radical version at that. I think you need to talk to an actual constitutional lawyer who knows what he's talking about. He'll tell you that quite simply wont fly.

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