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  •  he is actually getting some assist from the GOP (9+ / 0-)

    they are so trying to placate to their base they forget that if democrats see this as an GOP attack on the president they will unite behind him, this in turn will make any democrat who support the GOP a traitor in our eyes.

    God is a process not a person

    by Dhirty on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:31:10 PM PDT

    •  Waterloo, etc... (12+ / 0-)

      Thank G-d for Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint.  All their rhetoric about "breaking" Obama and "I think he'll fail" will help get the balking Dems in line.

      "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Ghandi

      by Bridoc10 on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:36:00 PM PDT

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      •  Thank JAHVE for the idiots what would we do (1+ / 0-)
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        without them.  (I am hoping they would nominate Palin and that she would choose Mittens as VP)

        God is a process not a person

        by Dhirty on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:38:03 PM PDT

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        •  Don't you think putting Mittens on the top (1+ / 0-)
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          of the ticket would be a stronger choice? I know Palin has stronger name recognition but Mittens would be a stronger leader and better communicator.

          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

          by RMForbes on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 03:12:19 PM PDT

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          •  you are joking right! (0+ / 0-)

            mittens could not beat the man Barack Obama beat.

            he looks good on paper but the guy is just a walking billboard when he opens his mouth you just want to shoot yourself in the ear

            God is a process not a person

            by Dhirty on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 03:39:44 PM PDT

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            •  Not kidding (0+ / 0-)

              I'd like to see it happen because they'll be lucky to get 25% of the vote. Besides isn't Mittens a cat?

              Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

              by RMForbes on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 04:20:33 PM PDT

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      •  True, it will get more Democrats behind it (2+ / 0-)

        and comments like this that are so obviously partisan and so blatantly politically motivated also helps with those people who are moderates and Independents who tend to lean a little to the right ..brings back towards the center.

      •  Is he Napoleon or Wellington though? (0+ / 0-)

        Or perhaps Blucher if you are a Prussianophile.

        the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

        by Salo on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:16:55 PM PDT

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      •  Didn't know whether I was more angry or (2+ / 0-)
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        more embarrassed to learn who the idiot senator was who said this:

         "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo.  It will break him."  

        Jim DeMint. From my beloved State of South Carolina. What a traitor he is to his constituents: he'd rather play to win some political game than work hard to see that the people he represents, who live in a poor state, who face 10%+ unemployment, who risk going without health insurance b/c it's too damned expensive, who fuckin' VOTED for him: he'd rather betray them than face the truth. That he and his ilk have thoroughly screwed over the people they claim to care about.

        There. Now I feel all better. Better enough that I'm going to call DeMint's office tomorrow morning and ask him what the HELL he's thinking, thinking like this. Politely, of course.

        I ask that all SC Kossacks call him, or Graham, too.

    •  The GOP has managed to shift opposition numbers (6+ / 0-)

      up, but not enough I don't think. The change of mind from Harry and Louise is a better metaphor for HCR's chances this time around. This is going to get ugly, but it's going to get done this time. If for no other reason than we are out of other credible options and we have the votes if we really want them.

      "It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant." Barack Obama August 5, 2008

      by thefretgenie on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:39:19 PM PDT

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      •  It's more than H&L (1+ / 0-)
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        It's who writes their paychecks that changed their minds (the drug industry).

      •  But don't you think... (0+ / 0-)

        ... that the uptick by the opposition is a reflection of Obama not getting out in front, strong?  He's let his critics hold the microphone up till now.

        I agree, I think that now is the time for him to go into the campaign mode, to pull out the stops, get the message out at a bunch of town halls and then culminate the push with the type of electrifying campaign-type speech that buried his opposition.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:20:49 PM PDT

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    •  Obama (and all real Dems) should hammer (3+ / 0-)
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      home the frame that Republicans and Conservative Dems are carrying water for the big health insurance companies.

      Forget talk about competing ideas, and ideological opposition, and what will and won't work, and cost. All of these are distractions from the only important thing that people need to know:

      The opposition on this is bought and paid for by the companies that EVERYONE HATES.

      It's the most powerful, concise way to cut through the b.s. and obfuscation and delay, but I don't hear it being said anywhere in the TM.

      •  Disease Advocates (1+ / 0-)
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        Anyone against universal health care is in favor of giving disease a safe haven within our borders to become drug resistant. It doesn't matter why you are against universal health care at the end of the day. It doesn't matter if that is your intent. That is the result.

        Those against Universal Health Care are therefore Disease Advocates, and that's what they should be called.

        -Edly

      •  Or the republicans are "playing politics" (2+ / 0-)
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        with American lives. They would rather see Obama fail, than fix healthcare. They are putting politics first. Country second.

        Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

        by Sherri in TX on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:03:40 PM PDT

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      •  You got it (1+ / 0-)
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        People hate insurance companies.  

        Obama can win if he frames this issue as trying to prevent health insurance companies from making obscene profits off the backs of consumers.

        He's already taking that tack to some extent by arguing that private health insurers ought to compete within the same "free market" to which they profess fealty.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:26:23 PM PDT

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    •  eh... (4+ / 0-)

      ...these are democrats you're talking about.  "Uniting" behind anyone isn't really their thing.

      I would be happy to be wrong though.

      The difference between democrats and republicans is the different republican factions are willing to give each other support, knowing they'll receive support from each other.  Blind support.

      the differing democratic factions, on the other hand, don't.

      The centrists/moderates/bluedogs/DLC crowd want to fight tooth and nail to keep the power of the democratic party OUT of the hands of the dirty fucking hippies.  You don't see that with republicans.  

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 01:58:27 PM PDT

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      •  True to an extent (2+ / 0-)
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        However the left is also unwilling to budge from ts devotion to ideological solutions to problems. On health care alone a delivery system (single payer) which would basically achieve the same ends as the bills under consideration is being supported by some who have the luxury to keep 48 million Americans in the waiting room for decades until the perfect time to pass the perfect exists.

        The reasons the Blue Dogs and Centrists are so set in is that because the left won't budge; and the reason the left won't budge is because the Blue Dogs and Centrists won't budge.

        But on health care, many centrists have budged and went over to support a public option. They're getting attacked as "corporate tools" by the pro-single payer left. Go figure.

        •  the left won't budge... (0+ / 0-)

          ...because it is too late to budge.  the problem has gotten so large and has festered unattended for so long that it requires these measures.

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:35:34 PM PDT

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      •  that is the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard (0+ / 0-)

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