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  •  Sigh (1+ / 0-)
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    I sense bullshit.

    Name the organizations and provide the evidence that shows they are being manipulated by the U.S. government.

    And if you can't put up, you know what to do.

    •  in fact, Feltman repeatedly DECLINED to name the (0+ / 0-)

      organizations but DID state, somewhere in his oral comments, the amount of money given to NGOs in Iran.

      •  you seem to be conflating (0+ / 0-)

        NGOs in Iran, with NGOs in the US, with NGOs in other countries with overseas Iranian populations.

        "Don't bet against us" - President Barack Obama

        by beijingbetty on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 01:17:41 PM PDT

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        •  Things are seldom what they seem (1+ / 0-)
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          Skim milk masquerades as creme.

          Feltman said "NGOs IN Iran"

          I can tell you the names of some very troublesome NGOs that operate within and across Iranian borders, that are peopled by folks such as Joshua Muravchik, Ken Timmerman, and other neocons.  

          But Feltman did not name any NGOs.

          If a google search can uncover NGOs such as those like Muravchik's that get US gov funds, why was Feltman loathe to name them?

          Are the NGOs Feltman declined to name working in concert with Prince Pahlavi?  With CIA?  With Rafsanjani?  Who knows?  Feltman's testimony was disclosure that disclosed nothing.  Do taxpayers have a right to know where their money is going?

          •  stop the Cigarette Smoking Man bit. (1+ / 0-)
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            i'm not digging through your mess to find your source for Feltman's comment when you cannot be bothered to properly source it yourself in this diary.

            there is no reason not to give us examples of NGOs, if you have them, that support your claim of NGO/US collusion and interference in Iran.

            very convenient to answer the gaps in your argument as proof as your thesis.

            not terribly convincing however.

            "Don't bet against us" - President Barack Obama

            by beijingbetty on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 01:52:38 PM PDT

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      my bad for trying to post too big a diary in too little time with too little forethought.

      If there's any redeeming value in my poxed effort, it lies in pointing the reader to resources he can analyze for himself.  I presented the sources, noted issues that I thought were problematic, and invite the reader to critique me all over the place ONCE the linked information has been considered.

      •  Some folks (0+ / 0-)

        don't need to read a diary to get the gist.  Quite talented folks, them.  Welcome to "the treatment"

        Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

        by Eiron on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 03:27:44 PM PDT

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      •  you really wanna make the (0+ / 0-)

        magpies flock, do a diary on the MEK

        Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

        by Eiron on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 03:30:46 PM PDT

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      •  I came upon this way late (0+ / 0-)

        But you have given me much to think about.  I fear I'm one to read something and then turn it over in my head for awhile before I know my own opinion.  Nevertheless, thank you for posting this diary.

        I received a message from a friend in Iran this morning.  He spent considerable time explaining to me the campaign and the election from his point of view.  His opinion is that the election was valid, that Mousavi made several logistical miscalculations in the audience he needed to reach to win the election, and that Ahmadinejad's win was a result of that.  He assured me that he was safe and that he was comfortable with any response I would make.  That is a lot of material condensed into one brief paragraph, but it got me thinking.  His logic was sound and if he is representative of the average Iranian voter, they are well-versed in the operations of their government and to think that the Green Revolution was not fundamentally of their making would, I think, be to underestimate them.

        We all have our prior life experiences that color how we see the world and its events.  That is true of people, including journalists, in any society.  I puzzled for weeks over the disparity between the videos we see, the reports we read, and what my friend told me.  And it occurred to me:  Is either picture really accurate, or are we seeing many different pieces of one big picture, that if we could put them together would make it all make sense?  I was very impressed by Obama's handling of the days immediately following the election.  I think he is way too astute to have continued the funding of the NGOs about which Feltman testified.  It's a dangerous game and I think Obama is an honest man who believes in dealing with people and governments above-board and with integrity.  The idea of government subterfuge to that extent would seem to undermine his determination to improve relations with Iran and he is far too intelligent for that.  I am sorry this got so long.  Brevity is not, I fear, my strong suit.

        "If you want to make enemies, try to change something." ~Woodrow Wilson

        by bigsky on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 07:15:26 PM PDT

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