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  •  does the airforce retain air superiority (1+ / 0-)
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    in theoretical human-to-human battle with the Chinese or Russians, without the F-22s?

    I assume so, but don't know much about it.

    •  Barely. (0+ / 0-)

      The Chinese have fighters (e.g. Sukhoi Su-35) that can outmaneuver the next best in the American arsenal, the F/A-18E and the F-15.  We would still defeat them because they don't have that many of them, but that's steadily changing.  

      Charles Dickens would shit in his grave if he saw An Apollo Carol

      by Troubadour on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 01:15:11 PM PDT

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      •  well, that's a problem (1+ / 0-)
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        if we're going to spend more than the rest of the fucking world combined on military, I'd at least like to rest assured of air superiority (the most important tactical advantage) in case of a major "world war" scenario.

        Which is, like, 99% of why you have a fucking military.

        Talk about misplaced priorities.

      •  Maneuverability is only one factor (0+ / 0-)
        There's speed, tactics, radar effectiveness, reliability, size, stealth, durability, operational flexibility, and so on.

        Even with a bunch of 30 year old F-15's we can't get anybody in the world to fly against us.

        --Austin Texas Democrat

        by pdrap on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 02:01:24 PM PDT

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        •  We're in the position of post-WW1 Britain. (0+ / 0-)

          They had the most technologically advanced military on Earth, but it couldn't make up for the lack of a solid manufacturing base.  Germany, starting from a position of total helplessness, managed to create a military within a single decade that pushed the Royal Army into the sea, littered the North Atlantic and Mediterranean with the carcasses of the Royal Navy, and stood poised to invade Britain.  And Germany itself, despite this massive turnabout, couldn't overcome an Allied enemy whose manufacturing base was completely beyond its practical reach.

          Charles Dickens would shit in his grave if he saw An Apollo Carol

          by Troubadour on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 02:19:14 PM PDT

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          •  We're exactly in the same position (0+ / 0-)

            Except our enemies aren't expansionist fascists...

            But if our overseas empire really is at risk, then maybe we should not be empire builders.

            I rather think we're going to be more effective building a military capable of dealing with multiple brushfires at once rather than one or two major wars at once.

            --Austin Texas Democrat

            by pdrap on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 09:39:52 PM PDT

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