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  •  I'm a vet, NPK, and what I see there is different (1+ / 0-)
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    "Despite our best efforts" (Mullen seems to me to be saying on behalf of that much larger fraction of US GIs who did not torture  or cover up torture, from the whistleblowing kids at Abu Ghraib to the officers and investigators and yes, the FBI agent who revealed the "frat house" atmosphere at Gitmo) a misguided and misled few (and I do believe he's speaking of the powerful few in charge: Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe even Colin Powell, Addington, Rice, and definitely Bush) have managed to tarnish that reputation (what else, really, did w/cheney do for this country? what did they do more effectively to it?).

    I do think he's trying. His hands are tied. He's a military man in a military post, and his commander-in-chief (thank you so much, BHO, for bringing us the Rahm Emanuel version of America) has refused to investigate, let alone prosecute, the commanders responsible for this. What more could he do alone?

    Texas: Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Lady Bird & LBJ, Ann Richards, Sam Rayburn, Dan Rather, Ike, Sully Sullenberger, Lloyd Bentsen. It's No Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:10:03 PM PDT

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    •  I am certainly not asking ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... Mullen to lead the charge against Rumsfeld, etc.

      But statements like this, that feed the "few bad apples" defense, ah, I'm so tired of hearing that, it's just plain false.

      What I would have preferred was that he would have refrained from saying this to begin with.

      Now this was supposedly a sensitive memo that was leaked -- but we all know that leaked information is leaked for a reason.  I won't speculate on that reason.

      At this point, my trust of those in authority is very very slim, especially when it comes to the issue of torture.  I am well aware of those brave souls in the military who did all they could to blow the whistle.  I have no idea whether Mullen was in their number.

      •  no, he can't reach Rummy, Condi, w/cheney; he can (1+ / 0-)
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        however -- and it appears that he is trying to do so here -- ensure that the culture of approval for torture ends.

        Texas: Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Lady Bird & LBJ, Ann Richards, Sam Rayburn, Dan Rather, Ike, Sully Sullenberger, Lloyd Bentsen. It's No Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:25:36 PM PDT

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        •  Eh ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... that "culture of approval" includes the belief that the problem was just a few bad apples.

          And although I stated my approval in the diary of Mullen's wanting to re-train the soldiers, he doesn't get a pass for the statement I quoted.

          I had far more criticism for the CNN article itself.  But Mullen's words were also part of the problem -- if one is really serious about ending the "culture of approval for torture."

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