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  •  the incident with Gates, or the press conference (2+ / 0-)
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    gchaucer2, m00finsan

    looked like fascism to you?

    The Gates' case was ultimately, as I see it, about free speech, and the cop's attempt to criminalize Gates' exercise of it.  

    We can't criticize the cop for that and then turn around and complain about a press conference.

    •  Hmm. That's an interesting take on it. (0+ / 0-)

      I guess I agree with that.

      I say it "looked like fascism" because the truth is I have a strong anti-cop bias, since my brother was murdered by cops. I'd never serve on a jury in a case like this, because I'm aware of the bias.

      I'm well aware of what fascism means, and why this situation is different in all kinds of obvious ways.

      Nonetheless, when I see a press conference of armed cops in uniform acting with such beligerence and arrogance, it sets off my old hippie Vietnam War era resentments against The Man.

      Knowing about trends like the increasing militarization of the local police forces, the increasing corporate control over all aspects of American life, and the fascist trends of the Bush administration--that adds a serious backdrop of concern.

    •  The Gates case (2+ / 0-)
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      Timaeus, jeihesser

      The Gates' case was ultimately, as I see it, about free speech,

      Disagree. It seems to me that Doctor Gates was arrested because he did not exhibit complete, abject, unquestioning obedience, compliance and subservience toward Sgt. Crowley.

      "Contempt of Cop", pure and simple.

      That's all about fascism. The diarist is over-the-top, but their basic point about the extreme and ongoing militarization of our nation's police over the last 40 years is spot-on.

    •  Yes, we can. (3+ / 0-)
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      Timaeus, JayBat, DemandTruth

      We can't criticize the cop for that and then turn around and complain about a press conference.

      Cops wear badges, carry guns, and have the power to put people in jail for disagreeing with them.  Or talking back.  A cop in uniform does not enjoy the same rights of 'free speech' as does an ordinary citizen.  Because he represents the power of the state, and when he speaks, it's not an individual giving his opinion.

      In other words, we have the right to hold police to a much higher standard because of the responsibility entrusted to them.  Gates was under no obligation to be polite and restrained in his own damn house.  The police were.  And when they hold a press conference, in uniform, it's hard to argue that it is individuals exercising free speech rather than a police force stating a position.  Yes, they try to hide behind the police union to blur the lines.  But we should not let them do that.

      Mark Twain -Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either.

      by Kingsmeg on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:30:03 PM PDT

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        1.  they weren't in uniform at the press conference - at least, not in the clip Jed posted to the fp.
        1.  The cops have free speech rights, just as Gates does.  His free speech rights shouldn't be denied.  Neither should theirs.  That this needs stating shows how deranged those on those sides have become in this case.

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