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  •  Americans... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...would never, ever want a more equitable distribution of resources because it would mean an equalization across America and China. Every American, including the 'poorest' would be vastly negatively affected in that circumstance.

    •  Why would it have to mean (2+ / 0-)
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      linkage, GeeBee

      complete equalization with China. European nations have a more equitable distribution of national resources than the US does without bringing China into the equation.

    •  Good Grief (1+ / 0-)
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      Too bad we dont have a "Bottom Comments" feature here.

      "Even the poorest wouldn't want a fair or equitable distribution of wealth... cause that would be communism"

      Take it to Free Republic. I see you drop these comments here and there. I know you are thinking that since you are not "called" on it, your stingy reality is somehow sanctioned. It's not. And it's noticeable.

      •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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        My point is very simple: Americans are vastly, vastly richer and more resource consumptive than virtually anyone else on the planet. This process of 'depression' is merely bringing our resource consumption back into line somewhat with what the rest of the planet has now.

        And it isn't the rich doing most of the consumption (though their consumption is very visible and thus a good bread-and-circuses way to provide an enemy for liberals to direct their ire at... and I am a liberal). The consumption is being done mostly (on an absolute level) by the middle class, and thus normalization of global inequalities in wealth distribution are going to preferentially hurt the US middle class, which they are.

        Virtually everyone in the US is rich compared to virtually everyone in most developing nations. Poor people in developing nations feel exactly the same about Americans that Americans feel about the rich, and they want to (and are) solving their problems the way you want to solve them with the rich of this country.

        •  You certainly didn't (0+ / 0-)

          make that very clear.

          •  I apologize... (0+ / 0-)

            ...for drive-by posting then and will endeavor to be more clear in the future.

            It's difficult to make this point sometimes, but Americans are far richer than most other people, and those people have little regard for the 'problems' of losing your personal single-family house and the like. To everyone else, Americans are the rich, and I guess it galls me to hear people with the leisure time to post on a computer network from a personal computer that they probably own talking about the distribution of wealth between the rich and the very rich while ignoring the truly poor.

            •  I agree with you point (2+ / 0-)
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              that there is a process of leveling the global table. A similar process went on between the US and Europe in the 19th C. No single nation can completely control such a complex process. The US's share of the global pie has been on the decline and no doubt will continue to be. However, what we do have is also poorly distributed. That can be changed without necessary reference to external economic conditions.

              •  This is true... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...but I don't think it would change a whole lot. The rich simply do not control enough resources that leveling the playing field this way would yield significant returns to the poor and middle class (and remember that there are negative externalities to even this process; the right-wing canard about not working if the motivation isn't there isn't entirely false).

                Certainly, there are things we can do to help the situation (single-payer health care, simplified tax codes, some tax increases on the rich perhaps), but generally speaking there's not that much to work with here.

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