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  •  Are you a teacher? Administrator? (1+ / 0-)
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    fiddler crabby

    Do you work in a 'poor' school?

    'Tests don't measure everything.' True.  Since I teach special education, 'my kids started out dumber' is insulting, though likely true. 'The kids in the next district have rich parents' - well I teach in a 'wealthy' district which gives millions to 'poor' districts -  so I have a couple of rich parents among my student caseload.

    For you to say Teachers sound like Republicans on health care is your opinion and you  are entitled to it.  If you are a teacher, I'd like to hear your side.  If you're not a teacher, walk a  mile in our shoes, please, before you open your mouth to criticize.

    •  All these little... (0+ / 0-)

      ...objections are true. Some kids start out behind. Socioeconomics makes a big difference and is beyond the teacher's control.  Tests don't measure everything.

      But these are just speed bumps. We need education reform and accountability. We can adjust for the speed bumps, and we must not allow them to slow progress.

      Am I a teacher? Well!

      The Bankers said, "Trust us, because finance is too complicated for non-bankers to understand".

      The Warmongers said, "Trust us, because if you aren't a general or a CIA agent, you're not qualified to criticize us".

      Do you really expect me to fall for the old "You-can't-criticize-us-because-you-aren't-one-of-us" line?

      I am not a teacher...which means I don't have a vested interest in the status quo. I am a parent, which means I have a strong interest in Reform.

      We need to design good tests that measure academic knowledge.  Then we need to reward schools that can get their kids' scores up.  I don't see what the problem is, why there should be delay?  I don't see why we shouldn't start tomorrow.

      •  Since you aren't a teacher (0+ / 0-)

        you see them as 'little objections'. For me they are the rationale for 10 and 12 hour workdays, six days a week.

        Are your children in poor schools?   If they aren't, then this is just an intellectual exercise.  There are too many straw men and red herrings in your arguments for me to address.

        If the solutions were so simple they would have been done by now.

        •  Yet another attempt... (0+ / 0-)

          ...to dodge the criticism by disqualifying the criticizer.  "Are my children in poor schools?"

          For the record, yeah...our local public schools are among the worst in the nation.  But even if it wasn't so, I still have standing to question the educational system. I am a citizen, a taxpayer, and American.  That makes it my business.

          I see no straw men.  I do see red herrings, though.  They are the dozens of trivial objections to any performance-based reform.

    •  Good point. (2+ / 0-)
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      miss SPED, etbnc

      How many here have at least volunteered in a school and worked with students from all kinds of backgrounds?  If you haven't, go volunteer and then come back and tell us what it was like.

      A neighbor of mine was also of the opinion that teachers weren't doing what they should and she could do better.  She went through an alternative certification and got a job in Dallas.  She lasted three weeks, quit, and has a completely different outlook now about what is involved.

      •  This is not a good point. (0+ / 0-)

        That's like saying:

        "Your views on the Iraq War don't matter unless you're a veteran."

        "Your views on economics and taxes don't matter because you're not a corporate executive."

        "Your views on the Healthcare Plan don't count because you don't work in a hospital or for an HMO."

        The goal is to avoid a facts-based discussion by de-legitimizing the questioner. Nobody is falling for it any more. Try something different.

        We need to design good tests that measure academic knowledge.  Then we need to reward schools that can get their kids' scores up.  I don't see what the problem is, why there should be delay?  I don't see why we shouldn't start tomorrow.

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