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  •  It's wonderful news, isn't it? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm pissed about the corporate sponsors, but not surprised at who they are.

    Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

    by I love OCD on Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 12:48:04 PM PDT

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    •  corporate? (1+ / 0-)
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      Granted, each of those groups probably has a corporate charter of some sort, but so what? They're citizens groups.

      Sean Parnell
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      Center for Competitive Politics
      http://www.campaignfreedom.org

      •  I'm not (2+ / 0-)
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        sure I agree with you on second look.

        K of C may seem like a citizens group, but it really is more similar to a Catholic version of the KKK to the folks who are the targets of their 'work'.

        In honor of the Obama Administration's actions on GLBT issues during Pride month, Pride 2009 is proclaimed "Back of the Bus Pride Month".!

        by emsprater on Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 01:53:11 PM PDT

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        •  What do you think a citizen is? (0+ / 0-)

          Setting aside your view of the KoC and the KKK, are you going to deny that they are composed of citizens? Objectionable citizens, perhaps, but I'm pretty sure all members of the KoC are citizens (could be wrong), and I don't recall the Klan being real open to immigrants.

          There's pretty much only 2 qualifications I'm using here to define "citizens group" -

          1. Composed of citizens
          1. Is public (just meaning, participates in public activities - so your poker night gathering isn't a "citizens group" but the Maine Poker Players Association is)

          I'm sure this could be fleshed out a little further, but that's the crux of it. Like them or not, KoC (and the KKK) qualify.

          Sean Parnell
          President
          Center for Competitive Politics
          http://www.campaignfreedom.org

          •  Well, there's 'citizen's groups' ...and (0+ / 0-)

            there are citizens groups.  When a small group of elite folks get together and pour a lot of funds into a pet issue, while they may be 'citizens', I wouldn't call them a 'citizen's group'.

            I'm not sure I share other's favorable view of you or your stance.

            In honor of the Obama Administration's actions on GLBT issues during Pride month, Pride 2009 is proclaimed "Back of the Bus Pride Month".!

            by emsprater on Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 08:46:13 PM PDT

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      •  The Catholic Church is not (2+ / 0-)
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        a citizens group, nor is the KofC.  They're religious groups supporting a political agenda - just like the Mormons in Utah.  And it's really none of their damn business - they have their own problems to deal with.

        Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

        by I love OCD on Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 03:18:10 PM PDT

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        •  Forgive me, (0+ / 0-)

          But is not the Catholic Church composed of citizens? That was my point. And in a free society, if and when you want the state to be involved in something, or to argue the state should or should not be involved in something, then any citizen can make anything they want to be their business.

          Sean Parnell
          President
          Center for Competitive Politics
          http://www.campaignfreedom.org

          •  Not if those citizens are being (1+ / 0-)
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            mobilized by the Church for it's own specific agenda.  And again, they have their own issues they need to face - abortion and homosexuality are distractions from their scandals, a way to keep members riled up about outside issues so they won't be riled about the inside issues.

            If individual church members have the conviction to protest and donate as individuals, fine.  When it's organized by a church, it's not fine.

            Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - A. Einstein

            by I love OCD on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:02:27 AM PDT

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