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View Diary: Ask Senators For Balance In MidEast "Dear Colleague" Letter (Updated) (235 comments)

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  •  With an attitude like yours (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Martha, unspeakable

    I'm sure we'll never understand each other. :-)

    •  Well, I will leave the diplomacy to others. (2+ / 0-)
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      deaniac20, canadian gal

      What I want is for the Palestinian leadership to agree to negotiations, sit their asses down at that the table with the Israelis, and bang out an agreement.

      If they use "settlement freeze" as an excuse to avoid negotiations then there will be none.

      You can either favor negotiations without preconditions or oppose it... but if you oppose it, then you oppose even the possibility of peace.

      As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. - Mr. Carlson

      by Karmafish on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:57:58 AM PDT

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      •  to be fair... (0+ / 0-)

        some of what netanyahu's speech included could be perceived as pre-conditions as well though.

        "Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" - Allen Ginsberg

        by canadian gal on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:59:23 AM PDT

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      •  Once more, for the heck of it. (4+ / 0-)

        As you so famously said elsewhere in this discussion, the Palestinians are in no position to make demands.  I think it reasonable to assume you believe the Israelis are in such a position.

        This imbalance precludes the possibility of negotiations -- only surrender terms -- so why do you keep talking about negotiations?

        •  Nonsense. (1+ / 0-)
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          deaniac20

          Bullshit.

          Hogwash.

          There are no "surrender terms."

          Netanyahu made his initial position plain.

          This is how negotiations work.  I say what I want and then you tell me what you want and then we compromise.

          The only alternative is ongoing war.

          Is that what you want?

          As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. - Mr. Carlson

          by Karmafish on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:06:28 AM PDT

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        •  maybe Palestinians should surrender (1+ / 0-)
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          Karmafish

          the attempt to destroy Israel either thru military, diplomatic (by not negotiating or rejecting deals),  and pretending its Israel's fault, or by pathetic demographic means aka "'right' or return."

          This is not a war the Palestinians who want to fight it, can win.

          "Like America, Israel is a strong democracy, a symbol of freedom, and an oasis of liberty, a home to the oppressed and persecuted." -President Bill Clinton

          by deaniac20 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:12:20 AM PDT

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          •  Well, Israel could likewise "surrender" (1+ / 0-)
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            capelza

            its "right" to settle land that doesn't belong to it . . . but we won't be seeing that happen, now, will we?

            •  the UN resolution said "withdraw from (0+ / 0-)

              territories" not all territories. Israel is not evacuating all 300000 people in the West Bank. Gush Etzion is not going anywhere. Israel won land in a defensive war and isn't giving it all away. They've said tho they will withdraw from territories, but Israel will not go away, as too many in Palestine want or think will happen thru RoR or "armed 'resistance.'" And they've said they will do this when a peace deal is accepted by the aggressor in 1967 and losing party, the Palestinians. Bibi has endorsed two states and called for negotiations almost every time he gets up in public: its Abbas that won't do it.

              "Like America, Israel is a strong democracy, a symbol of freedom, and an oasis of liberty, a home to the oppressed and persecuted." -President Bill Clinton

              by deaniac20 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:24:52 AM PDT

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